Intellivision Amico - Tommy Tallarico introduction + Q&A

34 minutes ago, Tommy Tallarico said:

 

What's idiotic about his statement is that he says I'm "spewing lies".

Ironic isn't it.

But yeah... I guess folks will defend it by saying these girls are 19.  That's fine.  Kinda like when he was defending the rape stuff by stating... "Well... you're not the one actually raping people."

 

That's cool.  Everyone is certainly entitled to their own opinion about what constitutes the merit of rape and I guess those points make it okay for some folks.  And that's fine.  They can defend it all they want... and along with them... I'll keep defending the game industry's right to make that kind of stuff as well.

But for someone to call me a liar and say it doesn't exist... well that's where they cross the line and is hard to take them seriously anymore at that point.  Seems like folks would rather come up with ways to defend it and call me a liar as opposed to just admitting that maybe they were incorrect.  If their argument is going to be... these girls are over 19 so Tommy is a liar.  Fine... take that position if you'd like.  Although I never said Nintendo has done anything illegal.  Just more of the same taking me out of context.  Yeah... I think the girls they depict look like.... young underage girls.  Argue with me all you want.  Again... that's fine.

I don't know though... these girls don't look 19 to me.  But who knows... I didn't make the game.  But forget the age thing for a sec.  The real awkwardness in the game for me is when the goal is to rub little girl private parts and then when you rub the naughtiest of places she gets mad and says "STOP!  NOT THERE!"  But hey... to each his own.  Just because I particularly don't like it... doesn't mean I won't defend their right to make it.

 

 

 

19?  I guess someone could make that argument. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But yeah... lets hear all about how Nintendo always had this kind of stuff and the SNES was just as bad. 

 

🙄

 

People would like to believe that I'm somehow picking on Nintendo or trying to incite "fear mongering".  No... I stated a fact that we won't have things like this on our console.  And also stated that I was surprised to find out that Nintendo didn't censor the same kind of stuff as Sony or Microsoft does.  I didn't make that up as some "fear mongering" tactic.  I actually just read what Nintendo themselves said...

 

 

 

 

But I came to find out that this is actually very common knowledge.  It's not like anything I said was some "breaking story".  All anyone needs to do is Google it or search on YouTube...

 

I guess all of these YouTube channels and publications are "fear mongering" as well?

 

 

Some of these hater ding-a-lings are now saying that Nintendo should sue me.  Really?  Crap... I guess I'll need to get in line behind the thousands of others who have wrote about the facts as well.

 

 

So the question folks may want to start asking is...

 

If this stuff exists and its common knowledge... why do certain people feel the need to call me a liar and attack me over it?

I know the easy answer is to just say... "Because you're CEO of another game console company and you shouldn't put down other consoles."  But I'm not putting them down.  I praise them every interview and will continue to do so.  And it's honest and genuine when I say it.  But it doesn't mean I agree with everything they do and need to LIE about this stuff when asked.  I guess I shouldn't talk about one of the most important things that focus groups love about Amico (all family friendly content)... yeah... I just shouldn't talk about that or mention it ever again... cause y'know... you wouldn't want to upset the fanboys even though there are already thousands of articles written about it.

As a 30+ year industry veteran and someone who has loved video games their entire lives... yeah... I'm gonna stand up for what I believe because I feel the industry has become more about MONEY than anything else.  An industry where weekly meetings are held to try and figure out how to suck as much money out of people as they can.  I'm tired of it.  The Indie devs aren't like this... which is why I love them so much.  So I guess because I'm standing up for what I believe in... I'm gonna take all the bullets and arrows along the way.  That's fine.  2 of my heroes are Martin Luther King Jr. and Muhammad Ali.  Just 2 examples of folks who were taken down for what they believed in.  And Ali... being the greatest fighter ever... even got up after his jail sentence and came back against all odds to be the greatest and most famous person in the world.  I'll never forget my personal and private conversations with him about this.  He truly was "The Greatest".  btw... I'm by NO MEANS putting myself anywhere near those guys.  I'm just trying to make a point that I'd rather follow in my heroes footsteps instead of not being true to myself.

 

I'd love any of these folks to be in my shoes and tell me how they would handle it when I'm asked.  I guess "no comment" is what they would prefer.  They'd prefer I hide the fact that I don't like where the industry is headed and what it's become.  I should stop mentioning Loot Boxes and microtransactions as well.  Don't wanna upset the Mobile Fanboys & Fangirls (is that even a thing?)  

 

Anyway... just my personal thoughts.  Feel free to disagree.  We're all here to have discussions.

 

Thanks.

 

 

That Mary Skelter game is on the switch in that form ? Uncensored ? That would disappoint me. 

32 minutes ago, Cranker said:

That Mary Skelter game is on the switch in that form ? Uncensored ? That would disappoint me. 

Those screenshots are from the Switch.  The video is from Mary Skelter: Nightmares which was included in the Mary Skelter 2 Switch release.

In doing my research I found the videos below to be interesting and informative on the subject.

You'll find that there are many different sides that people take.  Lots of folks dislike Sony for censoring stuff and others are upset at Nintendo for allowing it.

I can definitely see both sides of the argument.  And I will always fight for peoples rights to make the stuff whether or not I agree with it or not.  I also think it's completely up to the console manufacturer to decide what they do or don't want on their console.

I only pointed out that it exists and is clearly a controversial topic than many have covered before. 

I see no reason to call me a "liar" over it.

1 hour ago, Tommy Tallarico said:

 

And Amico love ye shall receive.

 

 

 

 

Fantastic news. 👍

12 minutes ago, Tommy Tallarico said:

Those screenshots and that video is from the Switch.

 

In doing my research I found this video to be interesting and informative...

 

 

 

 

Quite surprising. I see only Mary Skelter 2 on the switch eshop in Canada . Is that the same type of uncensored game as part 1 ? Did they ban the first one in North America ? This is surprising to me to say the least given Nintendo previous stance on these type of games. 

59 minutes ago, Cranker said:

Quite surprising. I see only Mary Skelter 2 on the switch eshop in Canada . Is that the same type of uncensored game as part 1 ? Did they ban the first one in North America ? 

"Nightmares" is part of the MS2 release:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Skelter:_Nightmares

The video I showed earlier did not specify the platform.  Here is a Switch video just to be clear:
 

1 minute ago, Tommy Tallarico said:

 

"Nightmares" is part of the MS2 release:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Skelter:_Nightmares

 

 

Ahhh. Ok . You learn something new every day. I would have thought if this type of game was released at all, it would only be in Japan. It’s very creepy and disturbing  😮

1 minute ago, Cranker said:

Ahhh. Ok . You learn something new every day. I would have thought if this type of game was released at all, it would only be in Japan. It’s very creepy and disturbing  😮

Yeah.  And just so there is no confusion.  It also says it on the official Nintendo website:

https://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/mary-skelter-2-switch/

"This game also includes the first installment of the series, Mary Skelter: Nightmares."

7 minutes ago, Tommy Tallarico said:

Yeah.  And just so there is no confusion.  It also says it on the official Nintendo website:

 

https://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/mary-skelter-2-switch/

"This game also includes the first installment of the series, Mary Skelter: Nightmares."

 

 

 

 

It’s good to be aware of this. I still love my switch, but the “old”

Nintendo would not have allowed this trash to be in their console. Since the social distancing began, I have actually been playing my Wii and Wii U more that the switch with my family !!! Ready for the Amico 😀

12 minutes ago, Cranker said:

It’s good to be aware of this. I still love my switch, but the “old”

Nintendo would not have allowed this trash to be in their console. 

I agree with you 100%.  I love my Switch and the "old" Nintendo would not have allowed this stuff on their console.  The argument that this kind of stuff has always existed on Nintendo is absolutely ludicrous in my opinion.

As a point of reference, the great Hiroshi Yamauchi passed away in 2002.  His successor (and person he groomed to take over) was the equally amazing Satoru Iwata.  He unfortunately suddenly passed away in 2015. 

I wonder if Yamauchi-san & Iwata-san would have allowed this?  Knowing both of them the way I did... I would say absolutely not.  The timing of Iwata's passing (2015) and the fact that this stuff started showing up after that I think signals that my hunch may have merits.  But I have no idea what the true situation is and why they seemed to go in a different direction with the Switch.  Lots of folks will say that the Nintendo generation (millennials) are now grown up and want more mature content now.  I don't buy that argument at all.  Not only because the data & research we have tells us differently, but also because millennials are in their 30's.  They were adults during the Wii era as well, but you never saw this stuff on the Wii or Wii U.  So I don't personally buy that argument.  The other argument that is discussed is that they were losing a lot of market share after the Wii U disaster and needed to compete with Sony & Microsoft.  Ok... maybe I could see that happening.  I buy into that story more than the "millennials grew up" one.  But again... would this change have happened if Iwata was still alive?  I'm guessing no.  But that's just my personal guess.

Hi Tommy,

How about "Amicoizing" some of Rock-Ola's classic arcade games?
 

Fantasy (controlled with a single controller and no buttons which is ideal for "even-less-than casual" gamers.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVnCNVnz690

Jump Bug
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yB4vuzMi578

Nibbler (Rock-Ola's most successful game)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTFOwqZcEP4

Fun fact: There's a documentary about Nibbler called "Man Vs. Snake"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjKMSX4oSjA

BTW, I know that I broke my "no more lists" promise to you so....I'm grounded from playing my Amico until October.  

Geez, that's really harsh! 😝

Seriously, thank you for connecting with the game community here on the interwebs 👍

1 minute ago, skylinesandsunsets said:

Hi Tommy,

How about "Amicoizing" some of Rock-Ola's classic arcade games?
 

Fantasy (controlled with a single controller and no buttons which is ideal for "even-less-than casual" gamers.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVnCNVnz690

Jump Bug
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yB4vuzMi578

Nibbler (Rock-Ola's most successful game)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTFOwqZcEP4

 

 

Fun fact: There's a documentary about Nibbler called "Man Vs. Snake"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjKMSX4oSjA

 

BTW, I know that I broke my "no more lists" promise to you so....I'm grounded from playing my Amico until October.  

Geez, that's really harsh! 😝

 

Seriously, thank you for connecting with the game community here on the interwebs 👍

Hahaha!  No worries!  I don't mind the lists.  Lots of fun stuff to learn and see!

That Fantasy game looks pretty cool.  Never played that one... will need to see if I have that one and spark it up on my cabinet tomorrow. 

Yeah... I know Nibbler well.  Reminds me of one of the modes in SNAFU. 

Nibbler would make for a cool remake I think.  Co-op & Versus as well!

Thanks for the links and kind words!

52 minutes ago, Cranker said:

It’s good to be aware of this. I still love my switch, but the “old”

Nintendo would not have allowed this trash to be in their console. Since the social distancing began, I have actually been playing my Wii and Wii U more that the switch with my family !!! Ready for the Amico 😀

I  agree but some people insist on keeping their perceptions in the past. I am no moral crusader when adults are involved and I have no problem with Nintendo providing more adult content to their established, mature audience. However people blindly sticking their head in the sand and somehow only remembering Nintendo as it was in the Super Mario days is just ridiculous. Claiming fear mongering or lying when just looking into it yourself for a few minutes shows the current state of their stance on sex and violence. That paints a polar opposite picture and quite frankly one that I can see that some people would find unacceptable even for adults. The mere fact that it debatable underage or rape tells you everything you need to know about their current stance. “Family friendly” is so far outside of that conversation it is clear it isn’t even relevant. No wonder a lot of retro gamers prefer the Nintendo of the past.

13 minutes ago, Tommy Tallarico said:

 

I agree with you 100%.  I love my Switch and the "old" Nintendo would not have allowed this stuff on their console.  The argument that this kind of stuff has always existed on Nintendo is absolutely ludicrous in my opinion.

 

As a point of reference, the great Hiroshi Yamauchi passed away in 2002.  His successor (and person he groomed to take over) was the equally amazing Satoru Iwata.  He unfortunately suddenly passed away in 2015. 

 

I wonder if Yamauchi-san & Iwata-san would have allowed this?  Knowing both of them the way I did... I would say absolutely not.  The timing of Iwata's passing (2015) and the fact that this stuff started showing up after that I think signals that my hunch may have merits.  But I have no idea what the true situation is and why they seemed to go in a different direction with the Switch.  Lots of folks will say that the Nintendo generation (millennials) are now grown up and want more mature content now.  I don't buy that argument at all.  Not only because the data & research we have tells us differently, but also because millennials are in their 30's.  They were adults during the Wii era as well, but you never saw this stuff on the Wii or Wii U.  So I don't personally buy that argument.  The other argument that is discussed is that they were losing a lot of market share after the Wii U disaster and needed to compete with Sony & Microsoft.  Ok... maybe I could see that happening.  I buy into that story more than the "millennials grew up" one.  But again... would this change have happened if Iwata was still alive?  I'm guessing no.  But that's just my personal guess.

 

 

 

 

Also, Nintendo has built up that family kid friendly image so people would never imagine this type of game could be on a Nintendo system. The Fact that Sony and Microsoft censored the game (if I am correct) and Nintendo did not is beyond surprising to me. 

I just need my breakout demo 😜

11 minutes ago, Cranker said:

Also, Nintendo has built up that family kid friendly image so people would never imagine this type of game could be on a Nintendo system. The Fact that Sony and Microsoft censored the game (if I am correct) and Nintendo did not is beyond surprising to me. 

The game did not come out on Xbox (assuming because this is a more Japanese style game and Xbox is not popular in Japan).  But it was released on PS4 and according to lots of articles, was censored by Sony.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=sony+censored+mary+skelter

16 minutes ago, Tommy Tallarico said:

The game did not come out on Xbox (assuming because this is a more Japanese style game and Xbox is not popular in Japan).  But it was released on PS4 and according to lots of articles, was censored by Sony.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=sony+censored+mary+skelter

Super interesting ! Always great to share on these forums and your participation and input are above  and beyond what I would expect considering how busy I’m 

sure you are.......then again, since you only sleep 4 hours a night, you have time 😜 but seriously, I appreciate your participation on this forum. 

30 minutes ago, Cranker said:

I just need my breakout demo 😜

Yeah.  You're gonna love breaking bricks on little girls asses and boobs like this gem.

😜

As of this writing, the only home console this is available on is the Switch.  It's also available on PC through Steam.

The description on the Nintendo website is pretty funny:

SENRAN KAGURA has transformed into a sexy pinball game on the Nintendo Switch!
 

2 minutes ago, Tommy Tallarico said:

 

Yeah.  You're gonna love breaking bricks on little girls asses and boobs like this gem.

 

😜

 

 

 

As of this writing, the only home console this is available on is the Switch.  It's also available on PC through Steam.

 

The description on the Nintendo website is pretty funny:

SENRAN KAGURA has transformed into a sexy pinball game on the Nintendo Switch!
 

Bounce your ball along the curves of a crazy theme park, starring a ninja girl who thinks she's an animal! (Yep, you heard right!) ♪

Feel every shake and bounce with the HD Rumble feature. Build up points to unlock special challenges, which showcase the girls' charms!

The usual features of the franchise are here too, including dress-up, diorama, and intimacy mode! Customize your favorite characters and enjoy some high-quality pinball with them.

 

 

 

 

That’s so weird ! As a 53 year old lifetime gamer, “games” like this are just embarrassing to the hobby.  I will take the Amico breakout 😀

1 minute ago, Cranker said:

Ill take the Amico breakout 😀

Good choice.

Now about that trip to California for one of the FE buyers that you were thinking about..........😛😛😛

1 hour ago, Tommy Tallarico said:

 

I agree with you 100%.  I love my Switch and the "old" Nintendo would not have allowed this stuff on their console.  The argument that this kind of stuff has always existed on Nintendo is absolutely ludicrous in my opinion.

 

As a point of reference, the great Hiroshi Yamauchi passed away in 2002.  His successor (and person he groomed to take over) was the equally amazing Satoru Iwata.  He unfortunately suddenly passed away in 2015. 

 

I wonder if Yamauchi-san & Iwata-san would have allowed this?  Knowing both of them the way I did... I would say absolutely not.  The timing of Iwata's passing (2015) and the fact that this stuff started showing up after that I think signals that my hunch may have merits.  But I have no idea what the true situation is and why they seemed to go in a different direction with the Switch.  Lots of folks will say that the Nintendo generation (millennials) are now grown up and want more mature content now.  I don't buy that argument at all.  Not only because the data & research we have tells us differently, but also because millennials are in their 30's.  They were adults during the Wii era as well, but you never saw this stuff on the Wii or Wii U.  So I don't personally buy that argument.  The other argument that is discussed is that they were losing a lot of market share after the Wii U disaster and needed to compete with Sony & Microsoft.  Ok... maybe I could see that happening.  I buy into that story more than the "millennials grew up" one.  But again... would this change have happened if Iwata was still alive?  I'm guessing no.  But that's just my personal guess.

 

 

 

 

I REALLY have to do some crap for work right now and I just promised my CEO that I'd finish it and send it to him today for him to look it over, but here's some interesting info on the millennial thing you mentioned. Being one myself, it kind of makes it easy to figure out.

Since I just turned 30 last month, I have a pretty good idea of what most people that I personally know in my age range are playing... and it's Animal Crossing, Zelda, Counter Strike, Stardew Valley, Company of Heroes 2, and DOTA 2. Mostly Animal Crossing since that's new.

I'm the exception who avoids all of that crap and plays Fire Emblem, Red Orchestra 2 (game is STILL not dead!), all of the Castlevania games that released BEFORE 1995 on various systems, and the majority of my time goes to various Genesis/Mega Drive/PC Engine games. I do get a little bit of Neo Geo time sometimes and very rarely SFC/SNES, although that's still mostly Castlevania. Naturally, all of this is on real hardware except the SFC/SNES, which I use the Super Nt for, and arguably my PC Engine CD games since I use the SSDS3 to run those on one of my real PC Engines.

Yeah, I don't really count as the average consumer, but everyone else is pretty much committed to the games I listed. One of my other friends spends his days playing Windjammers on the Neo Geo. He's got the MiSTer, though, and that's his primary video game system.

53 minutes ago, Steven Pendleton said:

I REALLY have to do some crap for work right now and I just promised my CEO that I'd finish it and send it to him today for him to look it over, but here's some interesting info on the millennial thing you mentioned. Being one myself, it kind of makes it easy to figure out.

 

Since I just turned 30 last month, I have a pretty good idea of what most people that I personally know in my age range are playing... and it's Animal Crossing, Zelda, Counter Strike, Stardew Valley, Company of Heroes 2, and DOTA 2. Mostly Animal Crossing since that's new.

 

I'm the exception who avoids all of that crap and plays Fire Emblem, Red Orchestra 2 (game is STILL not dead!), all of the Castlevania games that released BEFORE 1995 on various systems, and the majority of my time goes to various Genesis/Mega Drive/PC Engine games. I do get a little bit of Neo Geo time sometimes and very rarely SFC/SNES, although that's still mostly Castlevania. Naturally, all of this is on real hardware except the SFC/SNES, which I use the Super Nt for, and arguably my PC Engine CD games since I use the SSDS3 to run those on one of my real PC Engines.

 

Yeah, I don't really count as the average consumer, but everyone else is pretty much committed to the games I listed. One of my other friends spends his days playing Windjammers on the Neo Geo. He's got the MiSTer, though, and that's his primary video game system.

Hi Steven,

I was hoping you would chime in as I know you must be surrounded by this type of stuff living in Japan and probably have a unique and interesting perspective than most folks.

I agree with you and feel that although you are clearly hardcore into gaming... your tastes are more representative of most Switch gamers.  And the worldwide software sales data for those titles back that up (you're missing Mario Kart in there though). 

Most of the titles you mentioned are Nintendo first party games as well.  Like I've always said... Nintendo knows it's core audience better than anyone and has ALWAYS delivered the BEST 1st party games IMO.  I was even honored enough to work on one of them!  Metroid Prime.  I worked closely with my longtime friend Miyamoto-san for almost 5 years on that one!

That's exactly why I find it a bit perplexing that Nintendo as a company would allow some of the garbage they do.  They don't need it in order to be successful.  But hey... who the hell am I to tell Nintendo how they should or shouldn't run their company.  They are massively successful for a reason and should be commended for not only creating the best first party games of all time... but for also bringing back the industry from the brink of death in the mid 80's.  They will always have a special place in my heart just for that reason alone.  I'm also a HUGE collector of all their early video game systems starting in the 70's and going all the way to the mid 90's (lots of rare stuff Japanese hardware & software in my collection!).

But alas... as much as I love them, I personally don't like some of the crap they currently are allowing on the Switch.  And it has NOTHING to do with Intellivision.  ZERO!  (another dumb misinformed "theory" that some folks are trying to build). I also don't like the Nintendo e-shop or all of the awful .14 cent shovelware games that look a lot worse than any "mobile" or "Amico" game I've ever seen.

But again... just my opinion.  Not meant to be "fear mongering" in any way.

Folks may not know or remember that I would always get crap from Nintendo fans on my TV shows when I wouldn't give their games a perfect 10.  Of course the Xbox fanboys hated me when I would say something against a certain one of their games and the Sony fans also.  Oh, and lets not forget the PC Master Race.  They could be particularly douchey as well.  Starting to see a pattern?  And that was over 25 years ago! 

So none of this immature fanboy backlash is new to me. 

11 hours ago, Intellivision Master said:

 

The Amico is going to have games that some people just don't dig, and people others will love. I'm looking forward to Moon Patrol quite a bit, and the Farkle, well, not so much. That's fine. Every game doesn't have to appeal to me.

Lunar Lander is HUGE on the appeal scale for me. It's a great game. It's very nuanced and minimalistic. I addressed earlier on this thread ( #16532 Posted May 11) how the Amico Controls could possibly work with Lunar Lander. It's a game that should translate over very well to Amico.

The 2600 version of Lunar Lander isn't a real Lunar Lander. The arcade vector game is the goods, and that super simple, nuanced game play is the appeal. It's a very simple game of timing, decision making, and allocation. Some will find that boring, and that's fine. It's a top 20 personal favorite of mine because of the simplicity. The arcade packaging with the huge throttle + vector graphics don't hurt either. 

I hope the Amico Lunar Lander stays consistent with the delightful, simple game that Lunar Lander is. There's a joy in that simplicity.

3 minutes ago, AmicoBoise said:

The Amico is going to have games that some people just don't dig, and people others will love. I'm looking forward to Moon Patrol quite a bit, and the Farkle, well, not so much. That's fine. Every game doesn't have to appeal to me.

Lunar Lander is HUGE on the appeal scale for me. It's a great game. It's very nuanced and minimalistic. I addressed earlier on this thread ( #16532 Posted May 11) how the Amico Controls could possibly work with Lunar Lander. It's a game that should translate over very well to Amico.

The 2600 version of Lunar Lander isn't a real Lunar Lander. The arcade vector game is the goods, and that super simple, nuanced game play is the appeal. It's a very simple game of timing, decision making, and allocation. Some will find that boring, and that's fine. It's a top 20 personal favorite of mine because of the simplicity. The arcade packaging with the huge throttle + vector graphics don't hurt either. 

I hope the Amico Lunar Lander stays consistent with the delightful, simple game that Lunar Lander is. There's a joy in that simplicity.

Yeah... you're totally correct.  We're ensuring we have a really good balance for everyone.  I'm personally more like you and am loving Moon Patrol but don't see myself playing Farkle as much.  BUT... a lot of folks will feel the exact opposite of us as well!  They'll LOVE Farkle and may buy the system just for that and never at all be interested in Moon Patrol. 

I also agree about Lunar Lander and keeping it consistent but adding some cool co-op & versus modes too.

Will be fun to start working on that one next year.

4 minutes ago, Tommy Tallarico said:

 

 

Yeah... you're totally correct.  We're ensuring we have a really good balance for everyone.  I'm personally more like you and am loving Moon Patrol but don't see myself playing Farkle as much.  BUT... a lot of folks will feel the exact opposite of us as well!  They'll LOVE Farkle and may buy the system just for that and never at all be interested in Moon Patrol. 

 

I also agree about Lunar Lander and keeping it consistent but adding some cool co-op & versus modes too.

 

Will be fun to start working on that one next year.

 

 

Moon patrol and local leaderboards !!!! I’m in and will be up nights playing that one. Whatever it takes to keep my number one spot in the house !!! I Will need to have the top score  on all Of my Amico games. It’s a sickness 😁