Intellivision Amico - Tommy Tallarico introduction + Q&A

14 hours ago, Tommy Tallarico said:

Kinda like when he was defending the rape stuff by stating... "Well... you're not the one actually raping people."

I can't believe you went as low as to say I'm defending "rape stuff" and using a fake quote.

Anyone who has played Last of Us for PS4 (A MAJOR TITLE) that includes an attempted rape scene will understand what I was conveying when i said "Its used as a story mechanic to show them rising out of such a horrible situation" AND "You are a character who is a victim who is rising above those horrible, horrible things and of course rape is used to represent someone who is absolutely vile and disgusting".

Also you put words in some quotation marks but i went back and listened to those videos, i never said that, WOW, you are a multi-millionaire going after a dude who can barely pay his mortgage and saying I defend rape stuff and other horrible virtial. Please do us both a favor and stop talking about me and specially putting things in quotations that i never said, what the heck.

The fellows here I hope can see how horrible this type of lieing can be.

My mother suffered an attempted rape as a young woman, she rose through that and became a strong independent woman. Because of this I have a strong mother who has raised me and my brother while I had an absent father. you should be ashamed of trying to use broken sentences and half truths to try and put me in a bad light. My video was about a video game console and I included your exact quote. If your response is "welcome to the club" that says all anyone should ever need to know about you.

Let your games sell the console, Jesus Christ

I had an Amico-less weekend. started to catch up late yesterday. Wow. We were treated to (maybe) angry people possibly trolling us. Not sure if they like to to torture themselves over semantics or what. With the hours of interviews out there. All completely off the cuff. I'd expect to have a few flubs throughout.  How hard is that to process? I'd assume that someone will be offended at any type of brevity anywhere any more. It's the sad state of comedy these days. Until we get the press releases and info in our hot little hands, I don't take anything Tommy says as a contract to make it happen. Although I don't doubt that the Amico will deliver the games.  Including games that have been requested and acknowledged. Wouldn't that be something?

If you don't want to buy an Amico, or don't have a genuine interest in it, why come here? I want THAT MUCH TIME to devote to endlessly pick nits on a particular product. Especially if we don't have a full picture  yet. I guess some people have a need to have the last word on everything. No matter how much people try and clarify.

To cap off the weekend we got to learn about Butt Pinball on the Switch. (That is what I'm calling it anyway). While not a prude, I'm no perv either.  Odd that Nintendo wouldn't put blood into games for a long time. But now.. Slice as many things in bloody detail as you want. Use the touch screen to really touch things... EWwwwww. I can respect Tommy for drawing that line.

In the meantime, we got a press release. AND the promise of more to come. 

Not to mention more fun videos throughout.

Wow what a weekend!!!!

11 hours ago, Tommy Tallarico said:

Europe´s leading publishing partner Koch Media, founded in 1994 with its 1,300 employees at seventeen offices and branches in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, England, France, Italy, Spain, Poland, Australia, Scandinavia and the Benelux, will play a decisive role in the successful launch of the Intellivision Amico video game console and related products.

It seems a good geographical coverage.👍

48 minutes ago, Dorkalicious said:

I can't believe you went as low as to say I'm defending "rape stuff" and using a fake quote.

 

Anyone who has played Last of Us for PS4 (A MAJOR TITLE) that includes an attempted rape scene will understand what I was conveying when i said "Its used as a story mechanic to show them rising out of such a horrible situation" AND "You are a character who is a victim who is rising above those horrible, horrible things and of course rape is used to represent someone who is absolutely vile and disgusting".

 

Also you put words in some quotation marks but i went back and listened to those videos, i never said that, WOW, you are a multi-millionaire going after a dude who can barely pay his mortgage and saying I defend rape stuff and other horrible virtial. Please do us both a favor and stop talking about me and specially putting things in quotations that i never said, what the heck.

The fellows here I hope can see how horrible this type of lieing can be.

My mother suffered an attempted rape as a young woman, she rose through that and became a strong independent woman. Because of this I have a strong mother who has raised me and my brother while I had an absent father. you should be ashamed of trying to use broken sentences and half truths to try and put me in a bad light. My video was about a video game console and I included your exact quote. If your response is "welcome to the club" that says all anyone should ever need to know about you.

 

Let your games sell the console, Jesus Christ

You're so hilarious.  Do you ever get tired of playing the victim?  I really don't see why you make the kind of attack videos that you do when you get so triggered by anyone calling you out.

The weird part is that you constantly misquote me and when I call you out you go silent (show me again where I said Nintendo was doing illegal things?)

It's interesting that the exact thing you accuse me of throughout your post is the exact thing that you do to me in every one of your videos.

But yes... lets let the folks decide if you come across in any way as defending the fact that I said there was "rape" on the Switch.  I cued it up:

You just flipped on me because you said I grossly misquoted you.  This is the words/quote I gave:  "Well... you're not the one actually raping people."

Now unlike you... I don't have all sorts of time on my hands to go back and pull data and make videos.  But lets now write out the exact quote you said (because at this point you have become annoying)

What you EXACTLY said.

"...it's never... you're the player raping someone."

MY QUOTE:  "Well... you're not the one actually raping people."

YOUR QUOTE:  "...it's never... you're the player raping someone."

Give it up bud.  I think we're done here.

Love how you pull out the I'm a multi-millionaire and you can barely pay your mortgage.  What the hell does that have anything to do with having a discussion? 

But you know why you said that... so you could whine a little more and play the victim. 

You said...

"Please do us both a favor and stop talking about me and specially putting things in quotations that i never said, what the heck."

What the heck indeed.  Maybe you should do the same at this point.

49 minutes ago, Emanuele said:

It seems a good geographical coverage.👍

Yeah!  They're amazing!

1 hour ago, woobman said:

If you don't want to buy an Amico, or don't have a genuine interest in it, why come here? I want THAT MUCH TIME to devote to endlessly pick nits on a particular product. Especially if we don't have a full picture  yet. I guess some people have a need to have the last word on everything. No matter how much people try and clarify.

For some folks, it's because they see that it gets them clicks and attention.

6 minutes ago, Tommy Tallarico said:

You're so hilarious.  Do you ever get tired of playing the victim?  I really don't see why you make the kind of attack videos that you do when you get so triggered by anyone calling you out.

The weird part is that you constantly misquote me and when I call you out you go silent (show me again where I said Nintendo was doing illegal things?)

 

It's interesting that the exact thing you accuse me of throughout your post is the exact thing that you do to me in every one of your videos.

 

But yes... lets let the folks decide if you come across in any way as defending the fact that I said there was "rape" on the Switch.  I cued it up:

 

 

 

You just flipped on me because you said I grossly misquoted you.  This is the words/quote I gave:  "Well... you're not the one actually raping people."

Now unlike you... I don't have all sorts of time on my hands to go back and pull data and make videos.  But lets now write out the exact quote you said (because at this point you have become annoying)

 

What you EXACTLY said.

 

"...it's never... you're the player raping someone."

 

 

MY QUOTE:  "Well... you're not the one actually raping people."

YOUR QUOTE:  "...it's never... you're the player raping someone."

 

Give it up bud.  I think we're done here.

 

Love how you pull out the I'm a multi-millionaire and you can barely pay your mortgage.  What the hell does that have anything to do with having a discussion? 

 

But you know why you said that... so you could whine a little more and play the victim. 

 

You said...

"Please do us both a favor and stop talking about me and specially putting things in quotations that i never said, what the heck."

 

What the heck indeed.  Maybe you should do the same at this point.

 

 

Missing the point as usual, you used a half sentence to try and condemn me make it sound like i support this stuff

3 hours ago, Jake67 said:

While this clue may seem painfully obvious, I believe it’s to throw us off course.

 

This, in fact, will be a new edutainment title teaching kids how to safely navigate the web by learning how to remove cookies from a browser.

 

This is a life-skill every small child should learn as part of Internet safety, and kudos to the Amico team for picking up the gauntlet and going where other consoles fear to tread... unless those companies can sell it for $60 and fill it with IAPs, and then make a ton of sequels.  

 

Because if it really involved a certain creature with poor eating habits, the “we hate it yet we hang on Tommy’s every word” fans of the Amico would charge Tommy with doing something that’s even worse than soft-porn on the Switch... contributing to childhood obesity and messing eating.

 

If it was, in fact, a title that “comes from the street” shall we say, that sound you'd hear would the Mom 2.0 website scraping off the Amico banner from their conference sponsorship list. They will not stand for any sort of puppet-like creatures on consoles for their kids, especially blue ones who never learned to chew with their mouth closed. 

 

You heard it here first... and likely last.

 

Nice try, Tommy... nice try.

Hahahaha!!

DAMN!!!  Foiled again!

4 hours ago, IntelliMission said:

About violence in games:

 

- Am I the only one who thinks blood/gore/dead bodies never feel offensive in a game when they are pixelated? 8 bits, 16 bits, 32 bits. I mean, Silent Hill gave me nightmares (don't play the game just before bed, kids) when I was 19, but those pixelated things were not too disgusting. It's something interesting I just discovered.

Yeah... I feel exactly the same way.  Back in the day when it was pixel blood it was almost kinda funny.  But now that it's become very realistic and life-like... it crosses over to a little disturbing to me.

4 hours ago, bigdaddygamestudio said:

Been waiting on this, its about time we get GTCM  ( Grand theft Cookie Monster)

 

HAHAHAHAA!!!   Holy crap.  YES!! That's it!

3 hours ago, LePionnier said:

Great !

Will we also see some images ot the game ? 🙄

The "game"???

Why so singular?

2 hours ago, Dorkalicious said:

Missing the point as usual, you used a half sentence to try and condemn me make it sound like i support this stuff

Likewise.

Cool.  Great.  Lets end it here then.

You just have blinders on at this point.  I never said you supported rape.  You're just being ridiculous at this point.  The point of my post was not to show that you support rape in video games.  The point of my post was to show you that I didn't take you so out of context like you said I did and that you are absolutely trying to make a distinction that one kind of rape in a video game (if you're the one doing the raping) isn't as bad if it's used as a plotline.  Your words... not mine.  For you, your argument is that I'm somehow wrong to state that there is "rape" depicted in Switch games... because it's "not like... y'know... you're the player raping someone."

I'm cool to change the subject with you at this point and put water under the bridge if you're willing?

🤝

Curious... what games (and on what systems) do you play with your wife and child?

Always interesting for me to see what other gamer families are playing together and how they are playing.

Does your five year old play with your wife and you?  Does he or she use a tablet?  Gaming or edutainment?

22 hours ago, The Wren said:

Hey Folks,

 

I don't know if anyone else in here is a fan of the show "Last Week Tonight with John Oliver" but in their latest episode the theme was about the disappearance of professional sport due to COVID and as they do they brought up funny alternatives. One of which was this thing called Jelle's Marble Runs where marbles race around a track while a commentator gives you the rundown. They have made up teams and the teams and fans are nothing but marbles. Watch the LWT episode if you get a chance its pretty good but what you should really do here is check this thing out...

 

 

I just watched this for over and hour with my wife...we laughed our asses off, and are ordering t-shirts right after this. Now a question for @Tommy Tallarico...Tommy if there is a sport for Intellivision to support this is it! LOL but seriously as well...they do take sponsorships, and have now had major exposure from an HBO show...and hey they are marbles...how much can it be?!? The YouTube channel itself looks to have put on 200K subs since last Sunday's episode aired. Next thing...watch a couple of these eps and tell me if this doesn't need to be an Intellivision game. Give it a click folks its about 8 min long and we're glad we came across it  

 

Cheers  

Oh man this is one of the BEST things I've seen in a very long time! Thanks for sharing!!! 😆

8 hours ago, Tommy Tallarico said:

You should have seen it when I was on TV doing 2 half hour shows every week for 12 years.

You know, it's the funniest thing. Every time somebody implied you might be in favor of total censorship of graphic violence/adult themes in games (just because of the Amico's SAFE platform), my inital thought was, 'have you NOT seen this man's review of God of War?'

4 hours ago, Dorkalicious said:

Anyone who has played Last of Us for PS4 (A MAJOR TITLE) that includes an attempted rape scene will understand what I was conveying when i said "Its used as a story mechanic to show them rising out of such a horrible situation" AND "You are a character who is a victim who is rising above those horrible, horrible things and of course rape is used to represent someone who is absolutely vile and disgusting".

I'm going to isolate this quotation because it typifies something that I've always found frustrating about these debates over adult content in video games, and specifically over why the Amico has taken the approach that it has taken with regard to this issue.  (Disclaimer: just because I'm using your quotation to address a larger subject does not mean that I am "attacking" you, so cool your jets.)

Whenever Tommy or anyone else brings up the issue of adult content in video games, I notice that those who are critical of the Amico tend to start picking nits over the way in which this content is characterized, while completely missing the larger point.  I find that their arguments often boil down to bickering over whether the acts depicted in these games are or are not illegal, or whether or not they are tantamount to rape, or whether the participants are or are not of legal age, or whether or not the game designers intended for them to be of legal age, or whether this content serves a legitimate narrative or dramatic purpose in a story or if it's merely there for titillation.  And so on.

One of the serious problems we have as a society is that we have become increasingly balkanized.  Aided in part by technology, we have separated ourselves, in some cases without even fully realizing it, into self-selected groups.  The people in different groups tend to get their news from different (and often contradictory) sources, they watch different movies and TV shows, they read different books, and their various online feeds conveniently and transparently screen out views or perspectives that they are not already inclined to agree with.  One consequence is that many people have serious blind spots when it comes to the people in the other groups: the way they really live, what they really believe, how they really think, etc.  Another consequence is that many have never developed the discipline to dispassionately entertain opposing points of view, and have never really learned the art of listening⁠—listening to understand, not merely listening to respond.  This balkanization is even reflected in our geography, to the extent that people living in certain areas never even have to personally encounter those who live significantly different lives from them.  (This has a political dimension that I'm not going to get into, but suffice it to say, I think we can all recognize this phenomenon.)

I bring all this up because I'm reminded of it whenever I hear arguments like the ones in my second paragraph, which attempt to rationalize—or justify, or mitigate, or explain away, or make excuses for, or whatever one chooses to call it—adult content in video games.  It seriously makes me wonder whether the people making those arguments have ever even met the kinds of parents that the Amico is targeting, parents who have strong moral convictions and whose approach to parenting is governed by those convictions.  If they did, they would realize how hopelessly beside the point those kinds of arguments actually are—they may be right, as far as that goes, but they're splitting hairs over distinctions without a difference.  To these parents, the issue is very simple:

1. They don't want their kids exposed to adult content.  At all.  Not to any extent, for any purpose, through any medium, or in any way, shape, manner, or form.
2. Nintendo permits such content on the Nintendo Switch.  (That's the broadest way I can think of to describe Nintendo's policy, so whatever else one might say about the games in question, I hope we can at least agree on that much.)
3. Therefore, these parents will not buy their kids a Switch and will not allow one into their homes.

That's all there is to it.  (If anyone feels that I'm unfairly picking on the Switch here, feel free to substitute the Xbox, or the PlayStation 4, or any other mainstream platform you wish.  The principle is what's important, not the platform.)

I previously mentioned Chris Crawford's quote about how we should let the marketplace decide, instead of concluding in advance that the Amico is destined to be a "failure."  I would add that the people making that prediction are among the least-qualified to do so, because from their arguments, it's evident that they fundamentally do not understand the people for whom the Amico is being made; merely being a parent oneself is not enough.  This is not to say that they're stupid; they're simply unaware of the extent to which they're living in a bubble.

What these parents do not currently have, and what the Amico is intended to give them, is a platform which shows them the courtesy of RESPECTING THEIR WISHES AS PARENTS, while providing them and their kids with a place where they can safely enjoy the kinds of high-quality games that they want to play together.  I find it odd that these critics—who should be celebrating the Amico for giving players more choices—instead react to it with such hostility, as if the people behind the Amico are out to "censor" video games or somehow "exclude" them or ruin their fun.

54 minutes ago, jaybird3rd said:

I'm going to isolate this quotation because it typifies something that I've always found frustrating about these debates over adult content in video games, and specifically why the Amico has taken the approach that it has taken with regard to this issue.  (Disclaimer: just because I'm using your quotation to address a larger subject does not mean that I am "attacking" you, so cool your jets.)

 

Whenever Tommy or anyone else brings up the issue of adult content in video games, I notice that those who are critical of the Amico tend to start picking nits over the way in which this content is characterized, while completely missing the larger point.  I find that their arguments often boil down to bickering over whether the acts depicted in these games are or are not illegal, or whether or not they are tantamount to rape, or whether the participants are or are not of legal age, or whether or not the game designers intended for them to be of legal age, or whether this content serves a legitimate narrative or dramatic purpose in a story or if it's merely there for titillation.  And so on.

 

One of the serious problems we have as a society is that we have become increasingly balkanized.  Aided in part by technology, we have separated ourselves, in some cases without even fully realizing it, into self-selected groups.  The people in these groups tend to get their news from different (and often contradictory) sources, they watch different movies and TV shows, they read different books, and their various online feeds conveniently and transparently screen out views or perspectives that they are not already inclined to agree with.  One consequence is that many people have serious blind spots when it comes to the people in the other groups: the way they really live, what they really believe, how they really think, etc.  Another consequence is that many have never developed the discipline to dispassionately entertain opposing points of view, and have never really learned the art of listening⁠—listening to understand, not merely listening to respond.  This balkanization is even reflected in our geography, to the extent that people living in certain areas never even have to personally encounter those who live significantly differently from them.  (This has a political dimension that I'm not going to get into, but suffice it to say, I think we can all recognize this phenomenon.)

 

I bring all this up because I'm reminded of it whenever I hear arguments like the ones in my second paragraph, which attempt to rationalize—or justify, or mitigate, or explain away, or make excuses for, or whatever one chooses to call it—adult content in video games.  It seriously makes me wonder whether the people making those arguments have ever even met the kinds of parents that the Amico is targeting, parents who have strong moral convictions and whose approach to parenting is governed by those convictions.  If they did, they would realize how hopelessly beside the point those kinds of arguments actually are—they may be right, as far as that goes, but they're splitting hairs over distinctions without a difference.  To these parents, the issue is very simple:

 

1. They don't want their kids exposed to sexual content.  At all.  Not to any extent, for any purpose, through any medium, or in any way, shape, manner, or form.
2. Nintendo permits such content on the Nintendo Switch.  (That's the broadest way I can think of to describe Nintendo's policy, so whatever else one might say about the games in question, I hope we can at least agree on that much.)
3. Therefore, these parents will not buy their kids a Switch and will not allow one into their homes.

 

That's all there is to it.  (If anyone feels that I'm unfairly picking on the Switch here, feel free to substitute the Xbox, or the PlayStation 4, or any other mainstream platform you wish.  The principle is what's important, not the platform.)

 

I previously mentioned Chris Crawford's quote about how we should let the marketplace decide, instead of concluding in advance that the Amico is destined to be a "failure."  I would add that the people making that prediction are among the least-qualified to do so, because they fundamentally do not understand the people it is being made for.  This is not to say that they're stupid; they're simply unaware of the extent to which they're living in a bubble.

 

What these parents do not currently have, and what the Amico is intended to give them, is a platform which shows them the courtesy of RESPECTING THEM AND RESPECTING THEIR WISHES AS PARENTS, while providing them and their kids with a place where they can safely enjoy the kinds of high-quality games that they want.  I find it odd that these critics—who should be celebrating the Amico for giving players more choices—instead react to it with such hostility, as if the people behind the Amico are out to "censor" video games or somehow "exclude" them or ruin their fun.

 

Really fantastic post.  I agree.  You are able to eloquently articulate my thoughts on this.  Except because of my busy schedule and east coast Italian attitude... it comes out a lot different. 

I hope @Dorkalicious responds to you as I think this is a great subject matter where folks who have differences of opinions can talk respectfully to one another.

59 minutes ago, jaybird3rd said:

I'm going to isolate this quotation because it typifies something that I've always found frustrating about these debates over adult content in video games, and specifically over why the Amico has taken the approach that it has taken with regard to this issue.  (Disclaimer: just because I'm using your quotation to address a larger subject does not mean that I am "attacking" you, so cool your jets.)

 

Whenever Tommy or anyone else brings up the issue of adult content in video games, I notice that those who are critical of the Amico tend to start picking nits over the way in which this content is characterized, while completely missing the larger point.  I find that their arguments often boil down to bickering over whether the acts depicted in these games are or are not illegal, or whether or not they are tantamount to rape, or whether the participants are or are not of legal age, or whether or not the game designers intended for them to be of legal age, or whether this content serves a legitimate narrative or dramatic purpose in a story or if it's merely there for titillation.  And so on.

 

One of the serious problems we have as a society is that we have become increasingly balkanized.  Aided in part by technology, we have separated ourselves, in some cases without even fully realizing it, into self-selected groups.  The people in these groups tend to get their news from different (and often contradictory) sources, they watch different movies and TV shows, they read different books, and their various online feeds conveniently and transparently screen out views or perspectives that they are not already inclined to agree with.  One consequence is that many people have serious blind spots when it comes to the people in the other groups: the way they really live, what they really believe, how they really think, etc.  Another consequence is that many have never developed the discipline to dispassionately entertain opposing points of view, and have never really learned the art of listening⁠—listening to understand, not merely listening to respond.  This balkanization is even reflected in our geography, to the extent that people living in certain areas never even have to personally encounter those who live significantly different lives from them.  (This has a political dimension that I'm not going to get into, but suffice it to say, I think we can all recognize this phenomenon.)

 

I bring all this up because I'm reminded of it whenever I hear arguments like the ones in my second paragraph, which attempt to rationalize—or justify, or mitigate, or explain away, or make excuses for, or whatever one chooses to call it—adult content in video games.  It seriously makes me wonder whether the people making those arguments have ever even met the kinds of parents that the Amico is targeting, parents who have strong moral convictions and whose approach to parenting is governed by those convictions.  If they did, they would realize how hopelessly beside the point those kinds of arguments actually are—they may be right, as far as that goes, but they're splitting hairs over distinctions without a difference.  To these parents, the issue is very simple:

 

1. They don't want their kids exposed to adult content.  At all.  Not to any extent, for any purpose, through any medium, or in any way, shape, manner, or form.
2. Nintendo permits such content on the Nintendo Switch.  (That's the broadest way I can think of to describe Nintendo's policy, so whatever else one might say about the games in question, I hope we can at least agree on that much.)
3. Therefore, these parents will not buy their kids a Switch and will not allow one into their homes.

 

That's all there is to it.  (If anyone feels that I'm unfairly picking on the Switch here, feel free to substitute the Xbox, or the PlayStation 4, or any other mainstream platform you wish.  The principle is what's important, not the platform.)

 

I previously mentioned Chris Crawford's quote about how we should let the marketplace decide, instead of concluding in advance that the Amico is destined to be a "failure."  I would add that the people making that prediction are among the least-qualified to do so, because from their arguments, it's evident that they fundamentally do not understand the people for whom the Amico is being made; merely being a parent oneself is not enough.  This is not to say that they're stupid; they're simply unaware of the extent to which they're living in a bubble.

 

What these parents do not currently have, and what the Amico is intended to give them, is a platform which shows them the courtesy of RESPECTING THEIR WISHES AS PARENTS, while providing them and their kids with a place where they can safely enjoy the kinds of high-quality games that they want to play together.  I find it odd that these critics—who should be celebrating the Amico for giving players more choices—instead react to it with such hostility, as if the people behind the Amico are out to "censor" video games or somehow "exclude" them or ruin their fun.

 

Great post.

A while back, the thought of a combat-light rpg was floated around. I had a random thought looking for something to watch last night: what about Sherlock Holmes? Uncovering clues as you go, working alongside Holmes and Watson to crack the case! Maybe even a challenge mode, to see if you can find the culprit before Sherlock.

Wall Street Kid was another that came to mind, but honestly, younger me never could endure an entire playthrough of that game. Never have revisited it, though.

1 hour ago, jaybird3rd said:

One of the serious problems we have as a society is that we have become increasingly balkanized.  Aided in part by technology, we have separated ourselves, in some cases without even fully realizing it, into self-selected groups.  The people in these groups tend to get their news from different (and often contradictory) sources, they watch different movies and TV shows, they read different books, and their various online feeds conveniently and transparently screen out views or perspectives that they are not already inclined to agree with.  One consequence is that many people have serious blind spots when it comes to the people in the other groups: the way they really live, what they really believe, how they really think, etc.  Another consequence is that many have never developed the discipline to dispassionately entertain opposing points of view, and have never really learned the art of listening⁠—listening to understand, not merely listening to respond.  This balkanization is even reflected in our geography, to the extent that people living in certain areas never even have to personally encounter those who live significantly different lives from them.  (This has a political dimension that I'm not going to get into, but suffice it to say, I think we can all recognize this phenomenon.)

Yes we all have blinds spots, i 100% agree, however there are no exceptions including both yourself and others present here, would you agree to that?

1 hour ago, jaybird3rd said:

1. They don't want their kids exposed to adult content.  At all.  Not to any extent, for any purpose, through any medium, or in any way, shape, manner, or form.
2. Nintendo permits such content on the Nintendo Switch.  (That's the broadest way I can think of to describe Nintendo's policy, so whatever else one might say about the games in question, I hope we can at least agree on that much.)
3. Therefore, these parents will not buy their kids a Switch and will not allow one into their homes.

 

I get it, that said, saying the most extreme thing on a podcast where we all need to acknowledge only hardcore gamers listen to gaming podcasts will no doubt elicit an angry reaction, is that the intention? cause a stir? I get some content isnt for everyone, but those who dont enjoy it (for example the last of us which features violence and a young girl throw into a horrible scenario) people will no doubt hear these extreme opinions and take issue. Would you agree?

I personally had the feeling when i heard about the censorship for amico that what the heck, however after i spoke with Tommy i understood what he meant, that said, the way its conveyed in the podcast comes across more as gaslighting the viewers for enjoying violence or 18+ content. You dont have to take my word for it, watch the live chat and people getting upset. On an unrelated note, I always took more issue with the violence then when people have a visceral reaction to adult content in games, if its rated accordingly and only dispersed as such, it seems more acceptable then blowing people away in shooting games considering Adult only content(again 18+) are in our genes.

1 hour ago, jaybird3rd said:

I find it odd that these critics—who should be celebrating the Amico for giving players more choices—instead react to it with such hostility, as if the people behind the Amico are out to "censor" video games or somehow "exclude" them or ruin their fun.

The critics in my opinion have this reaction because of the comments gaslighting hardcore gamers who are the only people listening to a gaming podcast, This is likely the blindspot you mentioned, no one is immune

There is nothing wrong with the vision, but if you rib the hardcore gamers, expect a visceral reaction, you gotta remember they've had people since the 90s like Jack Thompson going after them trying to take away gaming freedoms. People are very protective.

While the vision is fine it may be wise to not engage in these type arguments on a gaming podcast, other places im sure it would go over better

2 hours ago, jaybird3rd said:

I'm going to isolate this quotation because it typifies something that I've always found frustrating about these debates over adult content in video games, and specifically over why the Amico has taken the approach that it has taken with regard to this issue.  (Disclaimer: just because I'm using your quotation to address a larger subject does not mean that I am "attacking" you, so cool your jets.)

 

Whenever Tommy or anyone else brings up the issue of adult content in video games, I notice that those who are critical of the Amico tend to start picking nits over the way in which this content is characterized, while completely missing the larger point.  I find that their arguments often boil down to bickering over whether the acts depicted in these games are or are not illegal, or whether or not they are tantamount to rape, or whether the participants are or are not of legal age, or whether or not the game designers intended for them to be of legal age, or whether this content serves a legitimate narrative or dramatic purpose in a story or if it's merely there for titillation.  And so on.

 

One of the serious problems we have as a society is that we have become increasingly balkanized.  Aided in part by technology, we have separated ourselves, in some cases without even fully realizing it, into self-selected groups.  The people in different groups tend to get their news from different (and often contradictory) sources, they watch different movies and TV shows, they read different books, and their various online feeds conveniently and transparently screen out views or perspectives that they are not already inclined to agree with.  One consequence is that many people have serious blind spots when it comes to the people in the other groups: the way they really live, what they really believe, how they really think, etc.  Another consequence is that many have never developed the discipline to dispassionately entertain opposing points of view, and have never really learned the art of listening⁠—listening to understand, not merely listening to respond.  This balkanization is even reflected in our geography, to the extent that people living in certain areas never even have to personally encounter those who live significantly different lives from them.  (This has a political dimension that I'm not going to get into, but suffice it to say, I think we can all recognize this phenomenon.)

 

I bring all this up because I'm reminded of it whenever I hear arguments like the ones in my second paragraph, which attempt to rationalize—or justify, or mitigate, or explain away, or make excuses for, or whatever one chooses to call it—adult content in video games.  It seriously makes me wonder whether the people making those arguments have ever even met the kinds of parents that the Amico is targeting, parents who have strong moral convictions and whose approach to parenting is governed by those convictions.  If they did, they would realize how hopelessly beside the point those kinds of arguments actually are—they may be right, as far as that goes, but they're splitting hairs over distinctions without a difference.  To these parents, the issue is very simple:

 

1. They don't want their kids exposed to adult content.  At all.  Not to any extent, for any purpose, through any medium, or in any way, shape, manner, or form.
2. Nintendo permits such content on the Nintendo Switch.  (That's the broadest way I can think of to describe Nintendo's policy, so whatever else one might say about the games in question, I hope we can at least agree on that much.)
3. Therefore, these parents will not buy their kids a Switch and will not allow one into their homes.

 

That's all there is to it.  (If anyone feels that I'm unfairly picking on the Switch here, feel free to substitute the Xbox, or the PlayStation 4, or any other mainstream platform you wish.  The principle is what's important, not the platform.)

 

I previously mentioned Chris Crawford's quote about how we should let the marketplace decide, instead of concluding in advance that the Amico is destined to be a "failure."  I would add that the people making that prediction are among the least-qualified to do so, because from their arguments, it's evident that they fundamentally do not understand the people for whom the Amico is being made; merely being a parent oneself is not enough.  This is not to say that they're stupid; they're simply unaware of the extent to which they're living in a bubble.

 

What these parents do not currently have, and what the Amico is intended to give them, is a platform which shows them the courtesy of RESPECTING THEIR WISHES AS PARENTS, while providing them and their kids with a place where they can safely enjoy the kinds of high-quality games that they want to play together.  I find it odd that these critics—who should be celebrating the Amico for giving players more choices—instead react to it with such hostility, as if the people behind the Amico are out to "censor" video games or somehow "exclude" them or ruin their fun.

 

I really appreciate how you stated that. It was much needed Thank you. And this is what people need to understand about this console.  Ive got alot of friends and family that are those people you just explained. They dont own any current consoles for the very reasons you stated. Now I personally do own the current systems but I wouldn't try to convince them to play on it because I wouldn't want them to be offended.  Now that me showing love and respect for their wishes.  Having the Amico allows me to bypass this altogether.  And be able to share gaming with them.  And share something I personally love with them. 

Again thank you 

2 hours ago, jaybird3rd said:

What these parents do not currently have, and what the Amico is intended to give them, is a platform which shows them the courtesy of RESPECTING THEIR WISHES AS PARENTS, while providing them and their kids with a place where they can safely enjoy the kinds of high-quality games that they want to play together.

Yeah, what I like about the Amico is that its a tool for families to try to keep the real ugly world away from their kids for a little while longer.  The first dozen years of life and childhood are glorious times, it doesnt need graphic violence and sex etc to ruin those Wonder Years.  Hell hormones and middle school will strip away all innocence no matter what you do, but at least this give parents a shot at allowing their kids some nice wonderful innocent years before the real world creeps in and fucks everything up.

4 hours ago, Tommy Tallarico said:

You're so hilarious.  Do you ever get tired of playing the victim?  I really don't see why you make the kind of attack videos that you do when you get so triggered by anyone calling you out.

The weird part is that you constantly misquote me and when I call you out you go silent (show me again where I said Nintendo was doing illegal things?)

 

It's interesting that the exact thing you accuse me of throughout your post is the exact thing that you do to me in every one of your videos.

 

But yes... lets let the folks decide if you come across in any way as defending the fact that I said there was "rape" on the Switch.  I cued it up:

 

 

 

You just flipped on me because you said I grossly misquoted you.  This is the words/quote I gave:  "Well... you're not the one actually raping people."

Now unlike you... I don't have all sorts of time on my hands to go back and pull data and make videos.  But lets now write out the exact quote you said (because at this point you have become annoying)

 

What you EXACTLY said.

 

"...it's never... you're the player raping someone."

 

 

MY QUOTE:  "Well... you're not the one actually raping people."

YOUR QUOTE:  "...it's never... you're the player raping someone."

 

Give it up bud.  I think we're done here.

 

Love how you pull out the I'm a multi-millionaire and you can barely pay your mortgage.  What the hell does that have anything to do with having a discussion? 

 

But you know why you said that... so you could whine a little more and play the victim. 

 

You said...

"Please do us both a favor and stop talking about me and specially putting things in quotations that i never said, what the heck."

 

What the heck indeed.  Maybe you should do the same at this point.

 

 

7 hours ago, Cranker said:

I just thought of a game that would be cool to see on the Amico. I used to love Gorf with that classic “Tron” handle. I would also like to see Tron. Those 4 levels in the game were all pretty cool 😎 

Getting back to whats important on here, video games.  I 2nd that on what ia mentioned above.  We need a Gorf. And definitely Tron 

As someone that thought the Amico could be a good idea. Find a place in the gaming world. Be something good for retro gamers.
 
Your behavior has shown that all the promises that this system had, cannot be achieved. This is why you feel the need to attack Nintendo. But then say they aren't your competition. If Nintendo is not your competition than why do you feel the need to go into detail about their content. Why are you only aiming at Nintendo? Why haven't you aim just as much criticism at sony/microsoft. 

Why are you changing what the definition of an exclusive game is. Why on the Vara Dark interview am I hearing more ports of games from other devices. 

You are the CEO of a company. Why are you attacking youtubers like a common fanboy. You are trying to market to soccer moms. How are they going to feel if the ceo of the company behaves like this. 

I am not hoping that the amico fails. However, if you continue to act like this I wouldn't be surprised.