Intellivision Amico - Tommy Tallarico introduction + Q&A

Good to see EPN including the Amico more in it's more mainstream news announcements. 

The Pat & Ian video was hard to watch. So much pure hatred. They claim they are only being objective, but you can tell they get excited pretending to be right and know it all's.  Na na na na na, i told you so. 

8 minutes ago, IntellivisionDude said:

The Pat & Ian video was hard to watch. So much pure hatred. They claim they are only being objective, but you can tell they get excited pretending to be right and know it all's.  Na na na na na, i told you so. 

These are not happy people . When you need to tear something down to that degree, it’s you with the issue. 

3 hours ago, Nolagamer said:

 

Just ran into this looking.on you youtube.  Smh these guys  what part of early development  did they not pay attention to ..nor did they or even any of us play a single one of these yet  to rip anything apart.  They just trying at this point  it seems to find something to hate.

I stopped watching any of their videos after the “apology” video not thst I watched anything other than their Intellivision coverage anyway I just refuse to give them views for their uninformed, hate filled takes.  I for one don’t need that negativity in my life 

Yeah, I felt they were WAAAAAAAAY too critical of the games.  These games look like there a lot of work put into it and look fun to play.  Gameplay is more important than graphics.  I posted on the other thread:

"Wow, very VERY overly harsh criticisms.  I thought all the games looks really awesome and very impressive.  I hate when they call them mobile quality, really these games as simple as they look take a lot of time of effort to make.  Those free mobile apps often wants money from users as they sell micro transactions, power ups or beg other people to give you tickets to unlock the next set of levels to progress through the game.  I preferred games that ask for money once to buy it to earn the content through out the games.  Some of my games I buy on switch are those "mobile quality" graphic and gameplay, without the micro transactions. Plus, the games they are show are a work in progress and they looks great and look fun to play.  Shark Shark is fun to play on the Intellivision since there's more stuff that shows up as your score increase and I love biting the shark in the tail in that game.

They aren't the target audience for this system.  Tommy, keep doing what you're doing and I suggest not to engage them.  "

I feel the need to put a leach on Tommy, but he'll break the chain or yank my hands out off my wrist .  Don't engage them, that's exactly what they want.  I feel that you're doing a great job so far, demonstrating games, which is the most important thing that a console needs. 

7 minutes ago, IntellivisionDude said:

The Pat & Ian video was hard to watch. So much pure hatred. They claim they are only being objective, but you can tell they get excited pretending to be right and know it all's.  Na na na na na, i told you so. 

I found the Cornhole segment to be highly entertaining.

You could tell they both liked it, and were struggling to find some reason; any reason to dump on it.

'The Switch must have already done it, and done it better', oops it seems it didn't. Then the entertaining grasping of straws begins. 'Well, it's motion control, what if you accidentally throw the controller playing?'. As if Intellivision had never considered the need for a controller strap *eyeroll* 'Well, mobile offers similar gaming'. Similar titles, but certainly not even remotely similar gameplay I am expecting. A quick browse though the Google Play store shows titles that offer multi-player also have complaints about their matchmaking system.

My personal favourite 'But you can buy a Cornhole set for around 100$, so why buy an Amico?'. Skipping over the fact that it is quite safe to say the vast majority of people are not considering buying an Amico to play exclusively Cornhole on it, I challenge you to find any family that will set an actual fullsized Cornhole game up in their living-room and proceed to allow kids to then start tossing beanbags around the room. I hope they have exceptional insurance :D

Hating on the Amico and everything related to it seems to be their thing, but it is getting quite repetitive rather like watching 'Everything wrong with..' but they keep reviewing the same movie.

I also like how we're called cultists because we don't just constantly hate on the Amico. 

I'm reserving final judgment until the console launches in October. I guess that's a foreign concept nowadays. 

Constantly hating on stuff seems to play well for their audience and Amico is an underdog so it's an easy target to pick on for them and it'll entertain their viewers. 

Message for Tommy from Victor Lucas ! 😅

Edit : He need Amico for his future review ... Can you send him one ? 😉 

I loved the latest reveal video.  Some games really shined.  Others, clearly are still in progress, like the disclaimer warned.  Altogether, I was happy with the update.  Thank you.

But... I do think including the Evel Knievel and Emoji Charades footage was a mistake.

They look like really fun games that I'm looking forward to playing, they ought to be on this platform.  Don't get me wrong.  Kudos to Intellivision for picking both up - that's good scouting/good featured games that'll hit a familiar, "that looks fun" note for a number of consumers looking at this on store shelves and seeing minute trailers on Hulu, Netflix.  And I thought Chris @The Atari Creepdid a great job discussing the issue in his video.  They're getting reworked to include multi-player co-op experiences, new modes, new levels, under-6 specific play modes.  Maybe other changes not discussed.  I think The Creep had a good response, I trust Tommy is sincere that these are being reworked, not ports - staying to that exclusive Only on Amico principle. 

However.  They didn't need to be shown.  I presume Tommy really wanted to show the variety, really wanted to showcase the scope of games being worked on.  But these were the same clips those developers published for their games back in 2015.  Back in 2017.  Which I'm completely fine with including that footage when you're showcasing the games in general marketing, or just showcasing that game.  But including it with this earliest batch to the pre-general public audience was a mistake.  It excited us, but as soon as it came out that these games are already out and the footage was identical to IGV and GameCake's trailers for their games - it casts this issue.  There was no indication that these games are pre-existing and being retooled, customized for Amico.  We know that because we're on this forum.  But it's another throwaway dismissal on every Amico video that pops up for some time.  A kernel of doubt with a reference video to say "see, they're just putting free mobile shovelware on a $250 box!"  If we only had 21 games, if we didn't know there was an Evel Knieval or Emoji Charades game, we'd be just as happy.  Tommy's told us a dozen times there's so much undiscovered great games out there, I'd love to see them.  But a video disclaiming that the footage was "Incomplete Early Work In Progress Game Demos" suggests to the viewer these are incomplete games.  These are Amico's works in progress.  Technically, those two games are as well.  But we're seeing footage from their current incarnation.  Zero footage from either reflected updated work.. just a teaser for us that these are in the pipeline.  Just struck me like an unforced error. 

PLEASE be careful with these.. class of re-tooled ports(?) and showcasing them.  It's one thing that Pat or Ian has a new favorite talking point (hit on ad nauseum in his premiere chat with his fanbase and in the video's comments).  Meh.  And haters are going to have an easy avenue for dismissing the system as a sham.  But if that story is picked up by a games journalist or a larger channel with more influence - if that was NintendoLife pointing out, not doing its homework, that Amico just steals mobile games and passes them off as their own.. it's a PR fiasco requiring a whole lot of Tommy-time devoted to addressing a headache Intellivision didn't need to have.  Remember underdogs, a whole helluva lot of the gaming community is happy to see this fail.  Don't give them cheap shots.

Still excited. 

Apologies to all, but I gotta say that some of games Pat and Ian highlighted seemed to address concerns that I had.  For example, the stunt cycle / Evel Knievel game.  For me, that looked fun and all, but something that I probably could easily find on my mobile device and not something particularly really note worthy.  This is probably due to the fact that I have played a game called Trials Fusion on the PS4, which has a lot of gaming elements the stunt cycle game seemed to have, but with a lot of modern touches, graphics, and fairly easy to play, difficult to master elements to it from the time I had with it.  Sorry, while there are some games that look really cool and interesting, I just wasn't really impressed with what I saw and felt underwhelmed.  Granted, perhaps there is a lot more to come that will be better difference makers in my eyes, but if I had $225 to $250 to spend on a new console, I probably would try and get a product from one of the big three, particularly if the Xbox One X goes down to that price as that (especially if they still have a Forza Horizon 4 bundle) would be really tough for me to turn down as opposed to what the Amico is offering.  However, different strokes for different folks as I really do hope Tommy, Intellivision, and the Amico can help to shake up the industry to where AAA titles are de-emphasized a lot and more family friendly, pick up and play, easy to learn difficult to master games become more of the norm.  Just my opinion and not here to hate or rain on anyone's parade.

14 minutes ago, RetroAdvisoryBoard said:

However.  They didn't need to be shown.  I presume Tommy really wanted to show the variety, really wanted to showcase the scope of games being worked on.  But these were the same clips those developers published for their games back in 2015.  Back in 2017.  Which I'm completely fine with including that footage when you're showcasing the games in general marketing, or just showcasing that game.  But including it with this earliest batch to the pre-general public audience was a mistake.  It excited us, but as soon as it came out that these games are already out and the footage was identical to IGV and GameCake's trailers for their games - it casts this issue.  There was no indication that these games are pre-existing and being retooled, customized for Amico.  We know that because we're on this forum.  But it's another throwaway dismissal on every Amico video that pops up for some time.  A kernel of doubt with a reference video to say "see, they're just putting free mobile shovelware on a $250 box!"  If we only had 21 games, if we didn't know there was an Evel Knieval or Emoji Charades game, we'd be just as happy.  Tommy's told us a dozen times there's so much undiscovered great games out there, I'd love to see them.  But a video disclaiming that the footage was "Incomplete Early Work In Progress Game Demos" suggests to the viewer these are incomplete games.  These are Amico's works in progress.  Technically, those two games are as well.  But we're seeing footage from their current incarnation.  Zero footage from either reflected updated work.. just a teaser for us that these are in the pipeline.  Just struck me like an unforced error. 

 

PLEASE be careful with these.. class of re-tooled ports(?) and showcasing them.  It's one thing that Pat or Ian has a new favorite talking point (hit on ad nauseum in his premiere chat with his fanbase and in the video's comments).  Meh.  And haters are going to have an easy avenue for dismissing the system as a sham.  But if that story is picked up by a games journalist or a larger channel with more influence - if that was NintendoLife pointing out, not doing its homework, that Amico just steals mobile games and passes them off as their own.. it's a PR fiasco requiring a whole lot of Tommy-time devoted to addressing a headache Intellivision didn't need to have.  Remember underdogs, a whole helluva lot of the gaming community is happy to see this fail.  Don't give them cheap shots.

I would agree to some extent that this has given more ammo to the haters than needed.

I also did not take into consideration that a journalist website could easily pick this up and sensationalize it for clickbait and spread around the new idea that Amico is just repackaging mobile games as their own.

This is super tender ground we're treading and as the underdog Amico doesn't need to give any additional kindling to the dumpster fire the haters are already starting in their own pockets of the internet. 

11 minutes ago, Hwlngmad said:

if I had $225 to $250 to spend on a new console, I probably would try and get a product from one of the big three

I have the same dilemma. For me money is always tight. I pre-ordered the founders edition, but is that what i really want? Would i rather have the next Xbox or PS5? I would not want to pay launch prices though. I'll probably do what i always do and wait a year or 2 for prices to come down and get one used. I know some next gen games will appeal to me, especially if we ever get another GTA or Red Dead. 

I feel like i'm committed to my Amico purchase but i still need to see more. I need to see the new Burgertime. That could be make or break for me. It better be good. 😉

The D&D game does have my attention. And i'd like to see the 1 player side of Shark Shark. And hopefully see more sports titles. I sure hope we see sequels to Slam Dunk, Body Slam etc and still be in the same vein. Some realism but not too much, players with funny names etc. A little over the top but not too much. 🤩

For me the new trailer was perfect I thought that the games looked great they gave me a feeling I really haven’t had with video games strongly since the SNES thst started fading in PS1.  My favorite thing to do with video games was play games with my dad playing coop games like Double Dragon, were my favorite experiences my dads fingers couldn’t stand up to games like Street Fighter very long and that and sports games became the vast majority of games to play together in the same room which to be honest made me pretty sad.  I laughed and smiled through that whole trailer because I could see my dad and I sending hours together playing these different games, which flooded my brain with memories of playing games with my dad.  I won’t be able to do that with him since he passed away but the chance to be able to create new memories like that is very exciting for me.  I don’t care about graphics never have beyond the first time I started a game and said wow that’s pretty what keeps me coming back is gameplay if the game is fun to play that’s what matters.  
 

I don’t care where the game came from Intellivision, Atari, Sega, Mobile, or some alien implanted the idea in some guys brain we know that even ports will have added levels new sound possibly even new art styles so that the version we get won’t be like any other versions out there if people don’t get that aspect of the system that’s been talked about since 2018 then that’s on those people.  

5 minutes ago, Alpha82 said:

For me the new trailer was perfect I thought that the games looked great they gave me a feeling I really haven’t had with video games strongly since the SNES thst started fading in PS1.  My favorite thing to do with video games was play games with my dad playing coop games like Double Dragon, were my favorite experiences my dads fingers couldn’t stand up to games like Street Fighter very long and that and sports games became the vast majority of games to play together in the same room which to be honest made me pretty sad.  I laughed and smiled through that whole trailer because I could see my dad and I sending hours together playing these different games, which flooded my brain with memories of playing games with my dad.  I won’t be able to do that with him since he passed away but the chance to be able to create new memories like that is very exciting for me.  I don’t care about graphics never have beyond the first time I started a game and said wow that’s pretty what keeps me coming back is gameplay if the game is fun to play that’s what matters.  
 

I don’t care where the game came from Intellivision, Atari, Sega, Mobile, or some alien implanted the idea in some guys brain we know that even ports will have added levels new sound possibly even new art styles so that the version we get won’t be like any other versions out there if people don’t get that aspect of the system that’s been talked about since 2018 then that’s on those people.  

It gave me the idea that there is actually a decent amount of potential in mobile games that I would never be interested in because I don't like playing games on my phone and it sucks as a controller. But there may be some great mobile games out there I would actually really enjoy if I had a separate controller and I was able to play them on my TV. 

7 minutes ago, Alpha82 said:

For me the new trailer was perfect I thought that the games looked great they gave me a feeling I really haven’t had with video games strongly since the SNES thst started fading in PS1.  My favorite thing to do with video games was play games with my dad playing coop games like Double Dragon, were my favorite experiences my dads fingers couldn’t stand up to games like Street Fighter very long and that and sports games became the vast majority of games to play together in the same room which to be honest made me pretty sad.  I laughed and smiled through that whole trailer because I could see my dad and I sending hours together playing these different games, which flooded my brain with memories of playing games with my dad.  I won’t be able to do that with him since he passed away but the chance to be able to create new memories like that is very exciting for me.  I don’t care about graphics never have beyond the first time I started a game and said wow that’s pretty what keeps me coming back is gameplay if the game is fun to play that’s what matters.  
 

I don’t care where the game came from Intellivision, Atari, Sega, Mobile, or some alien implanted the idea in some guys brain we know that even ports will have added levels new sound possibly even new art styles so that the version we get won’t be like any other versions out there if people don’t get that aspect of the system that’s been talked about since 2018 then that’s on those people.  

yeh the video excited me...  and like anything in this world, not all can be a perfect fit for everyone.

I see some real gems in the mix... a few I will still want to support the platform but may not really need, but that is OK.

Overall the platform is what excited me.. the people behind it.. @Tommy Tallarico seems a very genuine and passionate CEO and that goes a long distance for me.  

I don't need thousands of games... I just need new ones every now and then to keep me excited and a community I can share the excitement with.

That is the winning mix for this kid and Amico has it!

TJ

If everything goes as planned, the interview Tommy Tallarico had with ReviewtechUSA will be available on Monday. Obviously, I will put the link to you as soon as I see it. 🙂

2 minutes ago, LePionnier said:

If everything goes as planned, the interview Tommy Tallarico had with ReviewtechUSA will be available on Monday. Obviously, I will put the link to you as soon as I see it. 🙂

looking forward to it!

TJ

I agree that Tommy and the team should maybe be more selective, as others have suggested the trailer did provide ammo for haters to hurl.

However, I don't play mobile games, nor do the people I showed the trailer to.  They loved the 2 games 'ported' from mobile platforms.  I liked Evel Knievel.  None of us have ever seen them before and they looked fun.  2015 is forever ago to an 8 year old and I have a hard time believing a kid that age would be familiar with something that came out when they were 3 or 5.  It's either fun or not, just like a vintage Intellivision title.

The target market for this system is NOT people who are looking for it now, it's not people who frequent gaming forums or are currently searching 'Intellivision Amico'.  It's not the people on this forum, or those thinking about gaming all day long on and posting on youtube.  I've never heard of any any of these forums and websites that people seem very concerned about tearing the system down-why would I expect a Nintendo focused website to favorably review the Amico trailer anyway?  It does not matter so much what is said right now-especially by people with an obvious bias or personality issues. 

The target market does not know it's coming.  Did families wait in anticipation for the Wii, or did it catch everyone off guard?  Nintendo was dead, remember?  Maybe there will be a make or break moment of publicity for the Amico, but this isn't it. 

I liked the video a lot. The re-imagined skiing game looked incredible. D&D Cloudy Mountain is looking great. I wonder how many different monsters will be in the game. I liked the pool game. All the other games looked good too. October now seems like a long time to wait for this system. Glad I ordered the FE. I will purchase the VIP edition at the end of March. I may purchase one more console when they hit the stores.

Untitled Goose Game just won a bunch of awards at the GDC awards. A $20 game with sub-mobile graphics could never be popular, right? You should be able to download this free by giving advertisers a bunch of your personal data, enduring ads and being bugged for in-app purchases, because most people prefer gaming on a screen smaller than a laptop.

33 minutes ago, 1001lives said:

It gave me the idea that there is actually a decent amount of potential in mobile games that I would never be interested in because I don't like playing games on my phone and it sucks as a controller. But there may be some great mobile games out there I would actually really enjoy if I had a separate controller and I was able to play them on my TV. 

I use a different IPega but like it with my Pi set up. Then cast your phone to your TV!

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.amazon.com/IPEGA-PG9087-Wireless-Controller-Gamepad-Joystick/dp/B07CVT47BC&ved=2ahUKEwjW0oDY-KfoAhWFpZ4KHc_lCpsQFjACegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw2UOGAriGRoBK-JW9mTxZfq

6 hours ago, Nolagamer said:

 

Just ran into this looking.on you youtube.  Smh these guys  what part of early development  did they not pay attention to ..nor did they or even any of us play a single one of these yet  to rip anything apart.  They just trying at this point  it seems to find something to hate.

WOW! Pat and Ian REALLY put a HEAVY-DUTY beat down on the Amico. Was it warranted? They certainly did raise a lot of valid insights and concerns. There appeared to be a couple of possible gems in there BUT also some potential hit and miss stinkers as well.

I wonder how many people (after watching the latest reveal video) are now reconsidering purchasing the upcoming VIP Pre-Orders edition? Time will tell.

Games I am excited for so far: Skiing, AD&D, Car Racing Game, Nightstalker.

i use this one 

https://www.amazon.com/PG-9083-Wireless-adapter-Joystick-Telescopic/dp/B07BFVNTJR/ref=pd_sbs_147_t_1/131-4352498-7666263?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B07BFVNTJR&pd_rd_r=d776fece-f426-4f1e-937d-c0012d686fa9&pd_rd_w=ppi6F&pd_rd_wg=PvhCP&pf_rd_p=5cfcfe89-300f-47d2-b1ad-a4e27203a02a&pf_rd_r=JD7YA6S2CWXB9S6452KE&psc=1&refRID=JD7YA6S2CWXB9S6452KE

Loved the video! And appreciate the zoomed out camera in games for a change. Especially during Skiing... where you want to able to anticipate your next move.  

do Pat & Ian not know this console is still 7 MONTHS away?? it's like looking at an Ultrasound of an unborn baby and saying "ewww this kids going to be ugly!"..just wait and relax and have faith in Tommy..these games will get better and better as we approach launch