On 5/21/2020 at 10:22 PM, CurlyQ said:

Love your work @CurlyQ !!!

I love that you have Tron and Super Pac-Man in it! And oh man, Zaxxon! I played that to death on my way to high school in a local convenient store.

Funny thing is, whenever someone asks me what the first 3D game I ever played was. I almost always answer Zaxxon, That isometric view left a lasting impression on me back then.

I'd like to thank you and Tommy for inspiring me to get back into Paint Shop Pro. My stuff is nowhere near your artistic level. But that doesn't matter, I'm having so much fun lately.

1 hour ago, Zeptari1 said:

What about the very early preliminary box art for Amico? Or maybe very late, look 9 games included! 😜

CurlyQ and Zeptari1 are the same person ! Busted !!  😆🤣  lol   (joke)

HOLD THE PRESSES.. I have found what has to be Amico's first accessory.  Tommy needs to grab his Wonka pad and write this down 

https://gizmodo.com/this-lickable-screen-can-recreate-almost-any-taste-or-f-1843609903

6 hours ago, bigdaddygamestudio said:

Having played neither I fail to see how you can have such an opinion about comparison and polish.  Dont fall into the same trap as the ignorant Amico haters.  I suggest waiting til you actually played clubhouse and actually touched and own and played an Amico before comparing.

The exact point I was getting at in my reply to @Relicgamer....we can’t call out the “non-believers” for making comparisons about the Amico without having played it and then turn around and do the same exact thing by making comparisons to other systems.

I literally just woke up from having a very strange dream about the Amico... better post it before I forget.

In my dream, I got an email from Intellivision announcing some stuff. First was that there was a new limited edition called the Bronze Edition, and it was limited to 100 units per quarter and the colors were described as being based on the TurboGrafx-16.

Next was 2 additional game announcements. The first was an exclusive game called Crossed Sword. No, not Crossed Swords on the Neo Geo, but Crossed Sword. The second was Magic: The Gathering.

Finally was a new release date of November 18th or 28th. I forgot which one it was, but I think it was the 18th.

Unfortunately, for some odd reason the images in my email were not working, so no pictures of anything.

I have no idea of why I dreamed about this, but I did. Time to go back to sleep.

6 hours ago, Relicgamer said:

But you are correct we dont want to say this game isnt this or that without playing it.

Here here.....

33 minutes ago, bigdaddygamestudio said:

HOLD THE PRESSES.. I have found what has to be Amico's first accessory.  Tommy needs to grab his Wonka pad and write this down 

 

https://gizmodo.com/this-lickable-screen-can-recreate-almost-any-taste-or-f-1843609903

I can only imagine what that kind of technology could bring to the porn industry. 🙈🙉🙊

On 5/22/2020 at 7:53 PM, CurlyQ said:

True dat.

 

 

Did he say "Why, It's f*cking mega legs all over again?" OMG!! I nearly pissed myself laughing!

I think I'll take 24 hours and check out my games for my favorite cover art. Without getting up and looking I'd say off the top of my head:

Atari 2600 Bezerk, Colecovision Gateway to Apshai and Atari ST Dungeon Master. I remember Genesis games having great box art. Crüe Ball, The Immortal, Kid Chameleon.

Oh, and Gran Torino is a masterpiece Eastwood film. 

1 hour ago, Zeptari1 said:

 

Love your work @CurlyQ !!!

I love that you have Tron and Super Pac-Man in it! And oh man, Zaxxon! I played that to death on my way to high school in a local convenient store.

Funny thing is, whenever someone asks me what the first 3D game I ever played was. I almost always answer Zaxxon, That isometric view left a lasting impression on me back then.

I'd like to thank you and Tommy for inspiring me to get back into Paint Shop Pro. My stuff is nowhere near your artistic level. But that doesn't matter, I'm having so much fun lately.

Cheers @Zeptari1, for me, half the fun of creating something is the brainstorming and gathering of ideas. Sometimes, I get carried away with too much content/design and it ends up having a visually negative effect. Short and sweet is often times the best way to go. A blank canvas can be overwhelming at times (especially when you have a client, a deadline to beat and a bad case of artistic brain block (hate that!)). Glad to hear you have been inspired! You are only limited by your imagination! Keep it up! 😁👍

Zaxxon took A LOT of my quarters as a kid. It's probably only one of the very few games that I never really got that good at. Might of had something to do with the 3D isometric perspective that threw me off. There wasn't many games back then that had the look and feel of Zaxxon (which also had a very visually appealing logo).

1 hour ago, bigdaddygamestudio said:

HOLD THE PRESSES.. I have found what has to be Amico's first accessory.  Tommy needs to grab his Wonka pad and write this down 

 

This Lickable Screen Can Recreate Almost Any Taste or Flavor Without Eating Food

I think it was already noted ...  "Ice Cream Dispenser" lol 😉

I have the Clubhouse games for DS, and that was geared towards single player unless you knew someone you could play with over wifi/Download Play. I have a Switch but I am not sure I would buy this even though I loved the original game. But I liked the original game because I travel a lot so the portability is a plus and I like the vs. CPU option. Curious how gameplay works on the big screen when its local play. The official video shows people playing with multiple Switches for card games, and then there is video of Player vs. CPU in card games. You literally couldn't play each other locally in cards unless you had another Switch. Not something I would do personally. I do think it looks really fun though.

10 hours ago, Relicgamer said:

Jar Jar got me thinking, people dislike him and wouldn't want to play with him on the Amico.  It probably why there is haters they know that if people had to be with them in person no one would want to play with them either.  But in Jar Jars defense hes not a prick.

 

Poor Jar Jar...

I feel even worse for all of the hate that the actor (Ahmed Best) had to endure. People can be REALLY cruel. 🤕

Here's a guy trying to establish a name for himself in Hollywood and put food on the table. Instead he gets ripped apart and shamed for his role.

Being a passionate Star Wars fan is one thing. Being a racist, foul mouthed asshole hiding behind a keyboard is another.

1 hour ago, Saldo said:

The exact point I was getting at in my reply to @Relicgamer....we can’t call out the “non-believers” for making comparisons about the Amico without having played it and then turn around and do the same exact thing by making comparisons to other systems.

Then maybe we're taking the wrong lessons here?

Every single one of us has opinions on things we haven't tried.  Confession: I've never ridden a donkey to work.  Not once.  But I am going to step out on a ledge and form an opinion that I don't think it'd be comfortable or very pleasant, based on observations and existing knowledge.  That's not a stretch, and it's probably something most of you can read and afford the benefit of the doubt to that non-trialed opinion.  I still could be wrong of course.  And if there's a body of knowledge out there pointing out the creature comforts of donkey-delivery systems that I'm not looking at, well, maybe my point isn't well educated or well-informed. 

We have other metrics of observation and comparison than trial.  Tommy's point to "non-believers" has been to "wait till you try it before you crap all over it".  Which is kind of a stretch ask, but I take what he's saying, before you condemn something that you don't have an existing comparison to, try to keep an open mind.  Because in the case of the Amico, they're drawing conclusions, and Tommy's banging his head up against the wall, "that's not it!" 

Take the typical dismissal:  "These are mobile games! [ergo trash, ergo nobody should want this]"

Tommy: "But they're different than mobile - these are well-designed by seasoned game designers, not Fly-By-Night Inc. and Look-Ma-I-Shat-Out-a-Match-Three-Game, LLC", or "This is not a mobile play experience, there are buttons and external controls to take away that headache", or "You're not thumbing through 45,000 games in an app store" or "Mobile games are particularly solitary, these are communal by design, from conception to final product!" ... he has a ton of arguments why it's not what said nay-sayer is putting it down for, and they don't appear to grasp the product or the rationale behind certain decisions.  He could argue all those points with them, and sometimes does.  Or, he could say, "before you dismiss it as utter crap, why not try it first?" 

Because there often isn't much of an argument objectively about what's seen or missing, but a lot of presumptive arguments with conclusions that arguer couldn't know (this'll never sell, nobody wants this, that controller is going to be miserable), or a dismissal based on conjecture or assumptions when information exists that may refute what they're saying. 

I don't think I've heard anybody saying, "I don't like games that have this aesthetic, this isn't for me" - a fair argument based on observation of what's been seen and not really missing big details, and Tommy or somebody arguing for the Intellivision interjecting, "don't make that observation until you play it in your hands!"  By all means, people making observations and conclusions based on those observations seem fair as part of typical discourse.  People making some unfounded statement or assertions that don't reflect the facts out, like "Playing on that disc is going to be like having my teeth pulled".. maybe their point isn't really founded?

25 minutes ago, LePionnier said:

I think it was already noted ...  "Ice Cream Dispenser" lol 😉

 

Hahahaaa...very clever, Touché! ☺️

25 minutes ago, RetroAdvisoryBoard said:

Then maybe we're taking the wrong lessons here?

 no, thats the exact lesson we should be learning. The issue has been people hating on the amico product haven never tried said product.  How about we dont stoop to their ignorance.

25 minutes ago, RetroAdvisoryBoard said:

Every single one of us has opinions on things we haven't tried

and they are ignorant opinions that are not based in facts or real world experience, and therefore worthless. Not unlike a kid saying he hates the taste of fish haven never tried eating fish.

36 minutes ago, CurlyQ said:

Poor Jar Jar...

 

I feel even worse for all of the hate that the actor (Ahmed Best) had to endure. People can be REALLY cruel. 🤕

 

Here's a guy trying to establish a name for himself in Hollywood and put food on the table. Instead he gets ripped apart and shamed for his role.

 

Being a passionate Star Wars fan is one thing. Being a racist, foul mouthed asshole hiding behind a keyboard is another.

 

 

That understandable.  I never knew the actor was black. Guess I never was a hardcore fan. I did see alot of people back then hate on the character. But whats funny is I hadn't watched the movies in a real long time till recently and something about those movies I just really enjoyed. I like them more than the newest movies.  But even then it wasn't about the acting because I think everyone was great. But the first 2 in the new saga left to many things unanswered.  Going back and watching those prequels there was just great storytelling.  But its true people definitely got on the hate bandwagon on jar jar in hindsight the acting was crazy awesome.  But star wars fans are typically douchie. The recent actors had to deal with it. 

I remember when people were hating on the prequels and I had a discussion with a family member and I was like people are sooo critical.  When I was a kid star wars was amazing and you really need to tap into that same childlike view of things to really see the fun these movies are. Its like all these people grew up to be jerks. In the end its similar to how people view video games. Way ro critical.  Sucks that that talented actor faced that. Because I bet there is only a handful of people that could have played Jar Jar if even that.

49 minutes ago, Relicgamer said:

. I did see alot of people back then hate on the character.

the character sucked, but this guy is NOT the character, he is just a guy they paid to read some written lines and paid to play the character. Looks like he needs to understand that as much as the fans did

30 minutes ago, bigdaddygamestudio said:

the character sucked, but this guy is NOT the character, he is just a guy they paid to read some written lines and to act a part for a few weeks/months.  Its kinda sad grown adults get so wrapped up in such things and cant understand that the guy playing Santa Claus aint Santa Claus.

WHAT?

26 minutes ago, 1980gamer said:

WHAT

the actor who played jar jar had to deal with idiot fans but it sad that he like many of the fans he too cant separate the actor from the part. Jar jar was nothing more than a marketing ploy made by Lucas to reach for a specific demographic. If this guy thinks he was jar jar that's as sad as some dept store santa thinking he is santa

2 hours ago, CurlyQ said:

Poor Jar Jar...

 

I feel even worse for all of the hate that the actor (Ahmed Best) had to endure. People can be REALLY cruel. 🤕

 

Here's a guy trying to establish a name for himself in Hollywood and put food on the table. Instead he gets ripped apart and shamed for his role.

 

Being a passionate Star Wars fan is one thing. Being a racist, foul mouthed asshole hiding behind a keyboard is another.

 

 

They say kids liked the prequels, but adults didn't, but the kid who played Anakin in the first prequel got a lot of hate from kids his own age in school. He got so upset he said he wished he'd never made the movie and threw away all his Star Wars stuff. From Wikipedia:

In 2012, Lloyd explained that his decision to retire from acting in 2001 was due to bullying at school and harassment by the press, both in response to his role in The Phantom Menace. The experience also led him to destroy all his Star Wars memorabilia.

1 hour ago, bigdaddygamestudio said:

the character sucked, but this guy is NOT the character, he is just a guy they paid to read some written lines and paid to play the character. Looks like he needs to understand that as much as the fans did

I would agree to disagree...Ahmed Best IS the character Jar Jar Binks. His portrayal is indeed his very own, just as any other actor playing the role would make it their very own.

Personality traits and mannerism's play a big role in a characters on-screen persona.

Actors at often times BECOME that character and completely lose themselves in the art form of creative self-expression.

Is Andy Serkis NOT Gollum from Lord of the Rings? Is he NOT Snoke from The Last Jedi? King Kong from Rise of the Planet of the Apes? Is he NOT any of those characters???

What if they got Pee Wee Herman to take the role of Gollum? I think you'd see 2 vastly different portrayal's of one character.

"He is just a guy they paid to read some written lines and to act a part for a few weeks/months" is really just throwing wind at the character creation process. They don't just pick these actors randomly from the streets on a whim. There is a lot of careful planning and articulation that goes on behind the scenes.

1 hour ago, CurlyQ said:

I would agree to disagree...Ahmed Best IS the character Jar Jar Binks. His portrayal is indeed his very own, just as any other actor playing the role would make it their very own.

 

Personality traits and mannerism's play a big role in a characters on-screen persona.

 

Actors at often times BECOME that character and completely lose themselves in the art form of creative self-expression.

 

Is Andy Serkis NOT Gollum from Lord of the Rings? Is he NOT Snoke from The Last Jedi? King Kong from Rise of the Planet of the Apes? Is he NOT any of those characters???

 

What if they got Pee Wee Herman to take the role of Gollum? I think you'd see 2 vastly different portrayal's of one character.

 

"He is just a guy they paid to read some written lines and to act a part for a few weeks/months" is really just throwing wind at the character creation process. They don't just pick these actors randomly from the streets on a whim. There is a lot of careful planning and articulation that goes on behind the scenes.

Well said, also will add that both actors were young and its difficult at that age to take that much rejection at once. Personally I think Jar Jar wasn't that bad of a character.  People just get to a bandwagon of hate. Now the only part in the prequels I feel was the most cringe worthy, was the interaction between Anakin and Padme on Tatooine. I just watched this movie and and not having seen it since around the time it came out on dvd, having fresh eyes on it kinda changes you perspective.  Its the part when hes telling her he killed them all. The sand people.  And later shes ends up marrying this psychopath.  Lol. That part just never felt natural between 2 people.  For me not seeing these movies in a long time then watching them again Jar Jar wasn't that bad to me. That other part yeah that was weird and awkward. 

1 hour ago, CurlyQ said:

Personality traits and mannerism's play a big role in a characters on-screen persona.

 

Actors at often times BECOME that character and completely lose themselves in the art form of creative self-expression.

 

Is Andy Serkis NOT Gollum from Lord of the Rings? Is he NOT Snoke from The Last Jedi? King Kong from Rise of the Planet of the Apes? Is he NOT any of those characters???

i guess we will indeed agree to disagree, imho, he is no more that character than are the hundreds of people who portray 'annie' each year in the musical productions throughout the country. They arent annie just as hes not some computer animated fictional underwater alien character with dialogue written entirely by other people.

On 5/22/2020 at 11:58 PM, CurlyQ said:

Ok, seriously. Why has this not gotten more laughs? This is hilarious. Some real love went into this. Cheers to you brother. 

9 hours ago, bigdaddygamestudio said:

 no, thats the exact lesson we should be learning. The issue has been people hating on the amico product haven never tried said product.  How about we dont stoop to their ignorance.

 

and they are ignorant opinions that are not based in facts or real world experience, and therefore worthless. Not unlike a kid saying he hates the taste of fish haven never tried eating fish.

I think this is treading on an absolutism that isn't helpful when making judgement calls on the "Just try it" argument. 

Regarding the fish argument. I'm in my 50s. I don't like mushrooms and never have. I have eaten them as a child, adult and the canned soup was forced into meals as a "gotcha!" by family members. It's safe, quite safe to assume that kid has eaten fish, even if you don't think so. Even today I still get "You just haven't tried MY mushrooms!" bullshit. It's like an edible fungus religion.

How do you know it's painful if you shave your ass and sit in a bowl of gin, if you never tried it?

How do you know drinking 2 glasses of Mr Clean a day will keep you from getting Covid-19 if you never tried it?

How do you know Bill Gates won't give you a million dollars if you send this to 10 people?

How do you know skyscraper window washing is a dangerous job, if you've never done it? 

Amico is just an entertainment device, and so the "just try it" route isn't that extreme in this circumstance, but it's not helpful to make the axiom a universal truth.

You know what I got most of my life? "How do you know you don't like girls if you never tried fucking one?" Is that a fair demand?