Intellivision Amico - Tommy Tallarico introduction + Q&A

39 minutes ago, bigdaddygamestudio said:

not to belabor the point and I'll leave it at this. 1) You are making the assumption that most children have two parents, a good stable home environment, educated parents etc etc. the simple fact is the majority of children in the US dont.  

2) You also seem to assume that socialization happens at school, it really doesnt, most of it happens away from school with the people you have made connections at school. These relationship and you finding your way early in life via your relationships with peers really does effect your entire life. Kids need the room to find themselves. Like everything in life its finding balance and not eliminating one thing or the other and to be honest the one thing I think that is really contributed to everything wrong in this country and world is...... adults.

anyway back to games

I won't belabor the subject either, but you make good points.  I would never claim that home-schooling is for everyone; it definitely requires the right family structure and the right resources.  One of these resources is access to venues for extracurricular activities with other home-schooled kids, for building the kinds of connections that you mention, which are much easier to find today than when I was home-schooled.

12 hours ago, bigdaddygamestudio said:

These relationship and you finding your way early in life via your relationships with peers really does effect your entire life.

couldn't agree more.

12 hours ago, bigdaddygamestudio said:

Kids need the room to find themselves. Like everything in life its finding balance and not eliminating one thing or the other

Incorrect. children are like arrows. they need to be pointed in the right direction. if you don't influence them for their good, someone else will influence them for their evil; which means if you simply leave a child to "find themselves" you are setting them up for failure because they will be influenced by voices that only wish to hurt and take advantage of them. the mind of a child is a white canvass that can be dyed any color. you don't want the wrong people imbuing the landscape of their mind with wrong ideas that will lead them on the path of self-destruction.

6 hours ago, sanguinesonata said:

 

i agree with you, but the best way for a child/teenager to develop people skills and learn how to communicate  properly and effectively is to hang out with adults. hanging around a bunch of kids your own age all the time only breeds stupidity and foolishness, and will inevitably always lead to trouble. if you want someone to grow into a mature adult that knows how to handle and carry himself in this world, then there can be no greater, shining, visual model than one's own parents; which is why a child needs to hang out with his/her mother and father as much as possible.

I do agree that children should spend time a lot of time with adults, but I strongly disagree with the idea that they need to hang out with their mother and father as much as possible. Children need to be around all kinds of people to understand the world.

5 hours ago, jaybird3rd said:

What do people usually mean by "socialization," anyway?  They mean acquiring the social and behavioral skills to function in the modern world as an independent, autonomous, and productive member of society.

I believe this view of socialization is superficial and somewhat erroneous.

The first aspect of socialization is the creation of trust relationships with people around us, which leads to the creation of ingroups.

In the case of children, as they create more and more of trust relationships (mainly friendships), they realize the benefits of these trust relationships and therefore they seek to create more of them. Because of this desire to create trust relationships, children try to adopt strategies and develop abilities to achieve this goal. These strategies and abilities are the "social skills".

One of the things that I lament is that knowledge of human nature is more and more academic instead of being personal and based on "wisdom" (knowledge from personal experience). Many people now trust more an academic in his ivory tower (and influenced by his own ideologies), rather than their own experience.

The result is we now tend to view strategies and abilities to help us create trust relationships as something universal, not as something personal. Because of this, instead of helping children develop strategies and abilities that correspond to them, people in education try to impose a "universal" model, as determined by some academics. Instead of helping children "become who they are," people in education try to mold children into the academic's ideal.

In theory, sending children to school is better than home schooling because that way they'll be able to create many trust relationships with their classmates. However, since many educators now ironically pretty much deny individuality, there are many children who end up being forced into adopting "social skills" that are not appropriate for them. The result is that school often hinders socialization rather than helping it.

As for the Amico, yes, it is potentially a great tool for socialization. However, this is not that simple precisely because people create trust relationships in different ways.

The awesome female You-Tuber Vara Dark which I really like their videos about the video game buisness. Watch them every time. She says about topics that other You Tubers like Spawn Wave and... even not mention in their videos. AWESOME.

This time she interviews TOmmy Tallarico:

Just like @jaybird3rd, I initially was a technology professional (IT) with a strong linguistic background, which in my case allowed me to become a freelance translator thanks to my writing skills in (European) Spanish after a massive redundancy plan in my former (American) company.

These skills were taught to me by my Spanish teacher as a kid in a public school. My parents are good persons, but they didn't have too much of an influence in my personality, which often was hard for me as I was forced to "make myself".

Sometimes homeschooling can work fine, provided the kids have a way to make friends playing outside, and sometimes it can go wrong. It all depends on the human and technical level of the people teaching the kids, both parents and teachers.

Homeschooling can be a terrible idea with certain parents, but the education system is terribly flawed and sometimes a class feels like a jail. As I said, memorization should only be 5-10% of the education and not 90% and this is probably why sometimes homeschooling works so well with the right parents, because they don't treat kids as some kind of cassettes or parrots that repeat the same message they doesn't really understand.

I think it's worth noting that we are animals and we have instincts, and socialization is one of them. This is why message boards and WhatsApp groups are popular, as well as sports teams, both for the better (fellowship) and for the worse (tribalism). Having children trapped in a classroom or house is not natural, which is why experts are worried about the effects of the quarantine on children after spending a couple of months in their houses. There have been reports of several kids that didn't want to go out after the quarantine is lifted because they were scared.

14 hours ago, Papy said:

I agree.

 

Ultimately, memorization is unavoidable, but the trick is to gamify this memorization, which will allow the player to associate this memorization with emotions.

 

For example, imagine a game to learn a new language that start by depicting you as a victim of a shipwreck. You wake up on a beach and a character comes to you speaking the foreign language you want to learn (let's say French). The character starts by communicating both with her foreign language and signs.

 

The character (pointing at herself) and says : "Mon nom est... Lea... Lea."

The character then points at you and says : "Quel est ton nom?"

 

The player then has to guess he must say its name to the controller. The character then smiles, points at her again and says : "Mon nom... Lea." Then points at the player and stays "Ton nom..." (and says the player's name with her voice).

 

The character would then make a gesture asking the player to follow her and say : "Viens avec moi" and wait for the player to follow.

 

It doesn't matter if the player has no clue what the character is saying for now, simply listening to the language is enough.

 

As the player go on an adventure, the character starts to name things that the player sees during this adventure in her own language, asking the player to name the same thing in his own language (to allow the game to verify that the player understood the word).

 

After that, if for example the player was shown a hammer and learned that it was a "marteau", another character could ask the player to retrieve a "marteau". If the player brings the right object, he's rewarding with a smile. If not, the character asks the player again.

 

Learning like this is obviously slower than simply trying to memorize a list of words. However, it's certainly more engaging and I'm pretty sure those memories are much more persistent.

I agree, and what you are describing (with French) is how we played any video game growing up since English was not our first language. And we didn’t have google translate or walkthrough guides one clic away, we had to guess what “the key is in the forest” meant, and the more words and phrases we managed to learn, the easier it got to play/progress in the video games. 

In preparation for the interview with Tommy.

From what I understand, he is not a hater, he want to have good questions, and be respectful.

9 hours ago, Utopia said:

I'm in for a pair. Where is the purchase link? 

No way,you'd never wear those!😄

Actually,you may where you live.....

They are cool looking!👍

11 minutes ago, wolfy62 said:

No way,you'd never wear those!😄

Actually,you may where you live.....

They are cool looking!👍

I'm in Florida. You'd be surprised at what crap we put on down here.

I'm just tired of "gamer outrage culture" in general. These people follow around the things they hate the most and it becomes like an obsession. Get something else to do. Maybe play games like you claim you like? Haha.

What prompted this was seeing Vara Dark's chat and seeing TonyTGD again spamming about censorship of Youtube comments. "I proved it was true! I WROTE an article!" Wow. Good job. No one cares on the planet. Maybe on Mars someone cares, head there and talk about it to the Martians. 

Tony. Since you read this.

There is literally /no/ comparison. Do you understand this? You may not have the capacity to rationalize differences - it's okay. And this may sound brutal. But you've demonstrated a clear lack of understanding between the systems since day one. 

Ouya was a crowdfunded micro-console for hardcore gamers with indie developers in mind. It was run by a lady who didn't care about video games. 

The Amico is a private game console venture created by gaming industry veterans (and even of many industries, including NASA) for more casual, pick up and play gamers, or people who are not seen as traditional gamers. 

Amico is comparable to the Xbox and Playstation and Switch. Or the Wii. To make this as clear as possible: it's not trying to capture those markets - but it's more comparable to those consoles than it is to Ouya. 

I don't understand how to make it any more clear to you. I tried on Reddit and I see nothing gets through to you. You've had more effort given to you than anyone I've seen to help you understand and to get this through to you. Tommy himself went out on a limb and tried. If you aren't willing to learn, why ask questions like this? 

1 hour ago, Blarneo said:

I'm in Florida. You'd be surprised at what crap we put on down here.

I already knew you would wear them!

I would too here on the west coast.👍

Plus,its Intellivision what's not to like?

18 minutes ago, 1001lives said:

 

What prompted this was seeing Vara Dark's chat and seeing TonyTGD again spamming about censorship of Youtube comments. "I proved it was true! I WROTE an article!" Wow. Good job. No one cares on the planet. Maybe on Mars someone cares, head there and talk about it to the Martians. 

 

 

 

I wonder what emotional satisfaction he gets if Amico fails. Does he have money riding on it, or is his sense of self worth tied to making sure he has the power to control an industry by relentlessly ankle-biting a game company? 

At this point it's obvious that he's seriously invested in bringing Amico down, but why? Sexual pleasure? Notoriety? A monetary jackpot? An emotional sense of self worth? An end to his loneliness?

1 minute ago, Blarneo said:

I wonder what emotional satisfaction he gets if Amico fails. Does he have money riding on it, or is his sense of self worth tied to making sure he has the power to control an industry by relentlessly ankle-biting a game company? 

At this point it's obvious that he's seriously invested in bringing Amico down, but why? Sexual pleasure? Notoriety? A monetary jackpot? An emotional sense of self worth? An end to his loneliness?

It just shocked me to see his chats popping up, and see that not only is he still around in these interviews chatting the entire length of time, but he's still saying pure delusion, like he's literally learned and read nothing since this all began. He's repeating things he said months ago. It's like a brickwall or a one way street. He doesn't take information in. He has, presumably, been exposed to a lot of new information and has not even adjusted what he says. 

i feel like an asshole but ill say it again. none of this shit matters. you are all putting a lot of effort and thought into idiots who arent even close to the amicos target market.

the moderator in here keeps saying that but no ones listening to jaybird.. let me just say that tonytgd is a fart in the wind. do you care about a fart in the wind? you smell it and the wind carries it away. now you are chasing the wind and smelling it. you like the smell of shit, cause i do not. tony sucks on st pat and lady ian for milk daily. you are gonna give him the time of the day? nope. 

let hate flow down the toilet. flush it. tommy is going to interview larger channels with more positive focus. move away from the farts in the wind. good rule of thumb for tonytgd and a few others. if it smells like shit and looks like shit. its shit. 

1 hour ago, 1001lives said:

I'm just tired of "gamer outrage culture" in general. These people follow around the things they hate the most and it becomes like an obsession. Get something else to do. Maybe play games like you claim you like? Haha.

 

What prompted this was seeing Vara Dark's chat and seeing TonyTGD again spamming about censorship of Youtube comments. "I proved it was true! I WROTE an article!" Wow. Good job. No one cares on the planet. Maybe on Mars someone cares, head there and talk about it to the Martians. 

 

 

 

Tony. Since you read this.

 

There is literally /no/ comparison. Do you understand this? You may not have the capacity to rationalize differences - it's okay. And this may sound brutal. But you've demonstrated a clear lack of understanding between the systems since day one. 

 

Ouya was a crowdfunded micro-console for hardcore gamers with indie developers in mind. It was run by a lady who didn't care about video games. 

 

The Amico is a private game console venture created by gaming industry veterans (and even of many industries, including NASA) for more casual, pick up and play gamers, or people who are not seen as traditional gamers. 

 

 

Amico is comparable to the Xbox and Playstation and Switch. Or the Wii. To make this as clear as possible: it's not trying to capture those markets - but it's more comparable to those consoles than it is to Ouya. 

 

I don't understand how to make it any more clear to you. I tried on Reddit and I see nothing gets through to you. You've had more effort given to you than anyone I've seen to help you understand and to get this through to you. Tommy himself went out on a limb and tried. If you aren't willing to learn, why ask questions like this? 

Why ask questions.  Because he a moron looking for attention. This guy probably isnt even a gamer. Lol 

40 minutes ago, LordRayken said:

i feel like an asshole but ill say it again. none of this shit matters. you are all putting a lot of effort and thought into idiots who arent even close to the amicos target market.

the moderator in here keeps saying that but no ones listening to jaybird.. let me just say that tonytgd is a fart in the wind. do you care about a fart in the wind? you smell it and the wind carries it away. now you are chasing the wind and smelling it. you like the smell of shit, cause i do not. tony sucks on st pat and lady ian for milk daily. you are gonna give him the time of the day? nope. 

 

let hate flow down the toilet. flush it. tommy is going to interview larger channels with more positive focus. move away from the farts in the wind. good rule of thumb for tonytgd and a few others. if it smells like shit and looks like shit. its shit. 

You are right. But what fun is that? Making them look like even bigger fools is where the real entertainment is 🤣🤣🤣

Tommy,

A few days ago I mentioned the game Dixit which is a great card game that I think would be a perfect fit for the Amico.

Until this morning, I had no idea there was a digital version in the works. 

Just wanted to toss this out there so it’s on your radar down the line:

https://www.pocketgamer.com/articles/082879/dixit-world-the-mobile-adaptation-of-the-popular-board-game-will-begin-beta-testing-for-ios-and-android-on-may-18th/

1 hour ago, LordRayken said:

let me just say that tonytgd is a fart in the wind. do you care about a fart in the wind? you smell it and the wind carries it away. now you are chasing the wind and smelling it. you like the smell of shit, cause i do not. tony sucks on st pat and lady ian for milk daily. you are gonna give him the time of the day?

You are missing the fact that this is an interesting case study in emotional stability in regards to a consumer product that is essentially not going to threaten humanity in any profound way, but said undiagnosed person believes it will anyway. 

32 minutes ago, Relicgamer said:

You are right. But what fun is that? Making them look like even bigger fools is where the real entertainment is 🤣🤣🤣

... but unfortunately, it only fans the flames even more.  Remember, we're talking about unhinged people who will loudly proclaim that "it is their right" to say whatever they want, but who will respond to any kind of counterargument or disagreement as if it was a "personal attack."  If you go to them and respond directly, they'll claim that "you're just a mob of Kool-Aid drinkers" or that "Tommy is putting you up to it"; if you respond to them here, they'll only say that you're "bringing drama from the outside" or "unfairly attacking them when they're not here to defend themselves."  They don't understand that, if they make a comment or post their ideas on a public forum, everyone else is and should be free to discuss them ... even people they don't approve of or disagree with.

I've said it before, but trying to argue with these people is a fool's errand.  It's best to ignore them, to stay focused on the positive, and to direct that energy into productive achievement instead.

24 minutes ago, jaybird3rd said:

Remember, we're talking about unhinged people who will loudly proclaim that "it is their right" to say whatever they want, but they will respond to any kind of counterargument or disagreement as if it was a "personal attack." 

Which is why I never counter argue their points. That is what they want. 

Instead I question their motives and cut through their BS. Exposing them as dishonest actors. Both of those haters that I pasted in this thread, ran away from me after 2 or 3 responses, when I refused to engage their pivots, misdirections and point blank accused them of concern trolling. 

I don't debate these people. I chase them away by cutting through their obvious pretenses.

For example @1001lives spent a lengthy amount of effort to craft a thoughtful reply to TonyWTF, where it would fall on deaf ears anyway. 

I would've responded by throwing the question back at him by merely asking: "What dark crevice of your ass did you pull that from?" and left it at that.

2 hours ago, Blarneo said:

I wonder what emotional satisfaction he gets if Amico fails. Does he have money riding on it, or is his sense of self worth tied to making sure he has the power to control an industry by relentlessly ankle-biting a game company? 

At this point it's obvious that he's seriously invested in bringing Amico down, but why? Sexual pleasure? Notoriety? A monetary jackpot? An emotional sense of self worth? An end to his loneliness?

At this point I think there are a lot of psychological issues involved with many of them that have little to do with disliking the system. There was the fun of bashing something that was different that bullies do, followed by defensiveness for various reasons which led to tribalism and a hive mind mentality which increases the enjoyment and addiction of the activity for them, such that you can argue them into a corner on a topic and they will still be out the next day still promoting it. 

Some me of them weren’t necessarily bullies and trolls to begin with but are holding a grudge from either feeling slighted after posing a criticism in an Amico thread or getting banned and joined the hive mind as a result. At least a couple of the the banned were relentlessly trolling from the beginning. 

Its all been been kind of a disturbing evolution to watch as a minority of bashers form a tribe as in the past it has usually been a majority I’ve seen it with after the company royally screwed up. I guess, ironically, the Switch had a bit of this kind of hive mind bashing, lol. 

54 minutes ago, jaybird3rd said:

... but unfortunately, it only fans the flames even more.  Remember, we're talking about unhinged people who will loudly proclaim that "it is their right" to say whatever they want, but who will respond to any kind of counterargument or disagreement as if it was a "personal attack."  If you go to them and respond directly, they'll claim that "you're just a mob of Kool-Aid drinkers" or that "Tommy is putting you up to it"; if you respond to them here, they'll only say that you're "bringing drama from the outside" or "unfairly attacking them when they're not here to defend themselves."  They don't understand that, if they make a comment or post their ideas on a public forum, everyone else is and should be free to discuss them ... even people they don't approve of or disagree with.

 

I've said it before, but trying to argue with these people is a fool's errand.  It's best to ignore them, to stay focused on the positive, and to direct that energy into productive achievement instead.

True to a point.  I say its ok. Because if these people get to only speak when someone thst is on the fence stumbles on to these videos and only hear the negative comments then they can decide its not for them. Having someone using real facts give the outside observers better information. Like right now ive had a debate and the youngman arguing and made points that dont work in the real world. Showing how these dont relate to the average consumer and using facts are not there to convince the hater but the outside observers 

On 4/9/2020 at 4:36 PM, Intellivision Master said:

 

On 4/8/2020 at 11:37 PM, Tommy Tallarico said:

Here's an interesting one with a different angle in regards to language and learning:
 

 

Hey everyone! I know this is old news, but thought it might be relevant to bring these two videos back to light for discussion all the same.

From what I gather, both the article cited in the Creep's video and the premise of a-bas-le-ciel's video explore the potential of the Amico to, as a game console, do things for people that haven't really been offered before.

The first video instantly hit for us here, as the Mrs. was diagnosed with ADHD at an early age. Many of the points brought up in the article struck her like a lightning bolt. Reading the article for myself, it made me take a step back and try to really see what the gaming landscape looks like for her. I suggested to her that she pass the information on to her parents, as her father worked for a time as a counselor for the city's Alternative Community Resource Program, and I figured it might be a good idea to share this with some of his co-workers who are still there.

The second video was interesting to me, personally, from the approach he takes discussing the Amico's potential for language education. He seems to be both informed and passionate about these types of material being more accessible to others, which is a very unique take, in my humble opinion. The fact that this potential has been seen without any real open discussion in this avenue is extraordinary. His points on language software carry weight, as linguistics seem to be a field he is intimately familiar with. I also appreciate the fact that he stated plainly in the open that he's not a serious video gamer, but that there is still an opportunity for this system to offer something unique to the community he is a part of.

It might do well to discuss things such as these in the coming weeks. The one takeaway I've had from the recent interviews (other than Tommy possibly having the unique ability to answer the same questions 847,562 times without losing much patience. Truly, for that alone, we owe you thanks) is how narrow the focus of the discussion has been. I might be time for us to start delving a bit into things that are outside of our comfort zone (as gamers), and think about the larger possibilities that the Amico can achieve, the fields that it can possibly grow and make accessible for others. Personally, I think learning a new language via a couch co-op game with the family is an interesting idea. A family game night that educates each member of the family as well, and helps everyone find new ways to communicate with others? It just seems like an absolute home run scenario for discussion.

Speaking of home runs, looking forward to the Baseball announcement!