Intellivision Amico - Tommy Tallarico introduction + Q&A

51 minutes ago, JBerel said:

 

I don't disagree with you Jaybird, and I certainly hope Tommy's project is nothing like those other two. I haven't claimed that it is, and feel I've been clear that I'm looking for signs of credibility to this project because I'm interested in it, but weary of others that have been disappointing. Sitting through pages of aspersions cast at curly haired people who I don't know or care one whit about, or watching a professed industry leader slinging around gratuitous imagery to help bolster a family friendly brand indicates unprofessionalism in the extreme, and makes me question everything he says. I feel I've been more than restrained, then accused of some passive aggressive conspiracy toward the guy because, like a few others he likes to grouse about, I don't take everything he offers up as truth without evidence. His insistence on compliance with his point of view and tactics sure raises more red flags. It's an especially bad sign when the project lead snaps and unleashes some kind of amorphous conspiracy accusations, and effectively demands that nobody should dare question his truth.  

 

I'm not trying to come off as passive, I'm pretty darn direct. If questioning things offered up as truths with little evidence is considered aggressive, then guilty as charged. I think I've been more than fair about this project to date considering the mounting level of claims that have been made that have yet to pass the smell test. I don't think Tommy wants anybody to look too hard into the assortment of records and awards he offers up as proof of his personal credibility when their origins are easily researched. I'd love to see some leadership displayed through actions rather than expectations of respect and adoration to sooth somebody's narcissism. It's disturbing that Tommy seems to only have openness (and professionalism) to others who have love for Tommy in common with him. 

 

I have no desire to spar with Tommy or anybody, and I've been half tempted to just step away and drop any interest in this project. That would be ironic given the thread was supposed to engage with potential customers rather than alienate them. With what's coming to light though, there seems to be more here than meets the eye, and I'm even more interested to see where this is going. I'd love to see a little more civility and less, "passive aggressive" salesmanship and what appears at this point to be fundraising when that was specifically heralded as something he wouldn't, and didn't need to do.         

 

Your entire point was made moot with that one paragraph I quoted earlier. It’s possible you don’t see it how we read it but man before asking for more civility, look within.  Choosing wrong words can make you lose your audience, you are verbose and intelligent enough to understand this I think.  If not we’ll there you have it

there are many examples in this thread of people who voiced concerns on the project but managed not to be on the receiving end of fatal fury Tommy.  Why is that?

maybe a reset would help.  Consider this:  you have been outspoken about how you feel concerning taking money for the FE.  Good point, you provided good reasons to back up your point.  Now let’s move on because Tommy isn’t going to change his mind for HIS own VALID reasons. 
 

sounds cool?

2 minutes ago, Blarneo said:

I guess Tesla is one big scamming car company then. 🙄

Please use a good example.  It’s not like Tesla is taking a $100 deposit from a quarter of a million people on a vehicle that is at least a year away and that we don’t really know full specs 

4 minutes ago, Blarneo said:

I guess Tesla is one big scamming car company then. 🙄

Not sure how that's relevant.  Tesla doesn't make mass produced consumer electronics that they sell at retail.  Also, Tesla didn't exactly deliver on all the promises they made with the Model 3 and they sure didn't deliver on time.  Hopefully that isn't Tommy's model.

10 minutes ago, Swami said:

I guess Tommy shouldn’t really be surprised that he comes onto a mostly hardcore gamer website and after telling people for a year he is making a console and games that is/are not like the Big Three or for hard core gamers that people would still be harping away a year later about how he should be doing things more like the big three, be focused on hard core gamers and not those cell phone using casuals and make it portable like the switch rather than family focused. 

If the big three are doing certain things that are more consumer friendly than Amico then I would hope those practices would be adopted by Amico.  Also, Amico isn't being released in a vacuum.  Just because something is portable doesn't mean it can't be family focused or family friendly and the fact that the Switch is flexible and can be both a home console and a portable is a feature that many owners seem to enjoy.  When Amico was looking at a sub-$200 price point, that flexibility probably wouldn't have mattered as much, but selling at a price that is maybe $25 or more above the Switch Lite and just $75 below full MSRP of a Switch opens up those comparisons for consumers as it's not as big of a financial leap.   

See, Tommy, they want you to make a Switch Lite that is way better than the Switch Lite so Nintendo can sue your ass off. 

5 minutes ago, Blarneo said:

I guess Tesla is one big scamming car company then. 🙄

Speaking of Tesla, as an investor I was a *lot* more impressed with the Model 3 pre-orders where people put down $1000 over the Cybertruck were people only put down $100. I am sure that *no other company with investors* find it important to show investors consumer commitment to a product by having a decent deposit to hold something. Nope that never happens anywhere else.🙄

3 minutes ago, Swami said:

See, Tommy, they want you to make a Switch Lite that is way better than the Switch Lite so Nintendo can sue your ass off. 

I think Tommy can get away with it. They will be too busy suing Alienware for this

18 minutes ago, Loafer said:

there are many examples in this thread of people who voiced concerns on the project but managed not to be on the receiving end of fatal fury Tommy.  Why is that?

Well, I'm apparently some kind of snowflake, so who am I to say, but if you have to ask, I'd say easily bruised big ol' ego. For a representative of a company hoping to convert customers, I'd just say it's pretty low rent which was my point in the first place.

Is Fatal Fury Tommy another exclusive for the Amico?

25 minutes ago, Blarneo said:

I guess Tesla is one big scamming car company then. 🙄

How's that Elio Motors deposit working out?

Just a heads up that YouTuber Open Every Box is going to start a regular Amico segment.  He starts off with some Intellivision merch unboxing & reviews.

Tommy has asked for questions and comments on some stuff Like what type of games should they do, what perks can be part of an FE model, etc for sure ... but I don’t think so on the actual hardware specs, the target audience or anything R&D related.  

from the very first post in this thread: 

“I'm hoping I can answer as many questions as I can... so please feel free to ask away. Obviously there will be a LOT I'm unable to discuss (or my marketing & PR folks would KILL ME!)... but I'll try to answer the best I can.“

ie: the intent was a Q&A, not “this is how you should run your company Tommy”

Out of this, some really good comments and I hope some that made Tommy go “hmm this is good to think about this alternate viewpoint”.  But the intent was never to debate Tommy on company friggin policy, let’s not forget this 

now if it was crowd developed or open sourced, sure!  But this is clearly not the case 

4 minutes ago, JBerel said:

Well, I'm apparently some kind of snowflake, so who am I to say, but if you have to ask, I'd say easily bruised big ol' ego. For a representative of a company hoping to convert customers, I'd just say it's pretty low rent which was my point in the first place.

 

Is Fatal Fury Tommy another exclusive for the Amico?

 

There goes the “look within” I was hoping for

56 minutes ago, bojay1997 said:

I never said there shouldn't be a Founder's Edition.  In fact, I don't recall anyone saying that.  My concerns are with the timing of preorders and the amount of money being collected up front.  

I don’t see the issue with those but that’s a personal opinion you are welcome to have.  Most places I have preordered from, though my experience with preorder I will acknowledge is limited, have taken the full cost up front so I don’t really see an issue with a third of the cost a preorder especially since you can get refunded the full amount if you decide you don’t want it after all.  It’s not like Intellivision is hard to work with I’ve always gotten responses same day when I’ve used the contact us section of the website.  

33 minutes ago, JBerel said:

Well, I'm apparently some kind of snowflake, so who am I to say, but if you have to ask, I'd say easily bruised big ol' ego. For a representative of a company hoping to convert customers, I'd just say it's pretty low rent which was my point in the first place.

 

Is Fatal Fury Tommy another exclusive for the Amico?

 

Game and action figure included. 

You’ll never hear that even jokingly about another game company CEO, although Nintendo has one named after their turtle villain.

Let me know if I will be the only one who will take a vacation on Amico launch date !

I am just wandering how many days I will take ...  Hmm...  🤔

2 minutes ago, LePionnier said:

Let me know if I wil be the only one who will take some vacation near Amico launch date !

I am just wandering how many days I will take ...  Hmm...  🤔

Fortunately I think 10.10.2020 is a Saturday so that will cut down a *little* on the absenteeism

52 minutes ago, Loafer said:

Please use a good example.  It’s not like Tesla is taking a $100 deposit from a quarter of a million people on a vehicle that is at least a year away and that we don’t really know full specs 

They had 400k pre orders before the first model 3 was built or even finalized. Since 2007/8 when it was just the first roadster, they have taken pre-orders that took months to build. They are taking preorders now on the Semis, Pick ups, Model Y and new Roadster. None of which are due for release until next year. 

They are in such a demand that they don't have any cars to sell off of dealership lots. I was reinforcing your argument.

27 minutes ago, Swami said:

Game and action figure included. 

 

You’ll never hear that even jokingly about another game company CEO, although Nintendo has one named after one of their turtle villains. 

Totally off topic but pre-Browser president Reggie Fils-Aime is staying busy doing business & charity stuff and will be speaking at SXSW in Austin this year. Sounds like he is having a good semi-retirement.

3 minutes ago, GrudgeQ said:

Totally off topic but pre-Browser president Reggie Fils-Aime is staying busy doing business & charity stuff and will be speaking at SXSW in Austin this year. Sounds like he is having a good semi-retirement.

Pre-browser,eh?  What’s that, about 1987?😃

5 minutes ago, Swami said:

Pre-browser,eh?  What’s that, about 1987?😃

Nailed me - I am going to blame it on spellcheck - yeah that's it - spellcheck Sorry 'Bowser'.

Btw you have never seen grief until spellcheck corrects Han Solo to 'Hans Solo' on a Star Wars forum. Those people are brutal.

Hope to see Jack Black rocking a Amico one day. If you didn't know he has a family channel on Youtube with his two sons. JablinskiGames. I think he would have a positive impression for what the Amico offers.

42 minutes ago, LePionnier said:

Let me know if I will be the only one who will take a vacation on Amico launch date !

I am just wandering how many days I will take ...  Hmm...  🤔

10/10/2020 is a Saturday so I am off already.  I work 4 tens so have Friday off too.  Maybe I will take the following Monday off so I can have a 4 day weekend!  hehe.  Can't wait!  tj

1 hour ago, Alpha82 said:

I don’t see the issue with those but that’s a personal opinion you are welcome to have.  Most places I have preordered from, though my experience with preorder I will acknowledge is limited, have taken the full cost up front so I don’t really see an issue with a third of the cost a preorder especially since you can get refunded the full amount if you decide you don’t want it after all.  It’s not like Intellivision is hard to work with I’ve always gotten responses same day when I’ve used the contact us section of the website.  

I also acknowledge that your opinion is perfectly valid, but as someone who preorders literally every new console that comes along and many, many games including collector's editions each year, I can tell you that it would be rare for a company to require more than a nominal deposit for either these days.  The places that typically take preorders requiring full payment are companies that do limited runs and don't have the financing to be able to risk cancelled preorders.  It's usually collectible sculpture/statue companies or limited poster prints where even losing a handful of preorders would be catastrophic that require payment in full.    

1 hour ago, Loafer said:

Tommy has asked for questions and comments on some stuff Like what type of games should they do, what perks can be part of an FE model, etc for sure ... but I don’t think so on the actual hardware specs, the target audience or anything R&D related.  

from the very first post in this thread: 

“I'm hoping I can answer as many questions as I can... so please feel free to ask away. Obviously there will be a LOT I'm unable to discuss (or my marketing & PR folks would KILL ME!)... but I'll try to answer the best I can.“

 

ie: the intent was a Q&A, not “this is how you should run your company Tommy”

 

Out of this, some really good comments and I hope some that made Tommy go “hmm this is good to think about this alternate viewpoint”.  But the intent was never to debate Tommy on company friggin policy, let’s not forget this 

 

now if it was crowd developed or open sourced, sure!  But this is clearly not the case 

Let's be honest, it takes at least two to debate anything.  Nobody is forcing Tommy to respond to literally every comment he takes issue with.  As I noted earlier, he could simply say "agree to disagree" and leave it at that, but he seems to want to argue each point and respond even to multiple posts that were specifically intended as discussion between specific forum participants.  I will say this though, your attempts to re-frame the debate by constantly analyzing the intent of other discussion participants or calling for civility while at the same time engaging in passive-aggressive criticism of other forum members isn't exactly helping to calm the tenor here.     

7 hours ago, Tommy Tallarico said:

She probably won't like the next version of Moon Patrol either (as it is a single player experience)... but... when you get the final version and she can be the driver while you shoot... or the jumper while you drive and shoot (or whatever combo you want) she may find it kinda interesting that you are playing together and helping each other to reach a goal. 

My wife didn't dislike it. It was a positive 'It's neat.' It was just to short for her to make a judgement.

I started getting her into games via the Atari (Drinking Human Cannonball anyone?). Then Nintendo specifically a lot of the WiiU. So she has an appreciation for 'older styled/arcade' type games. It just doesn't bring her back to simpler time in gaming like the AA homebrews and such do with me.

That's why when the next demo is released I want to have my D&D crew download the app and access the game together and get their thoughts. As you can probably tell I have the logo saved....

1 hour ago, GrudgeQ said:

Speaking of Tesla, as an investor I was a *lot* more impressed with the Model 3 pre-orders where people put down $1000 over the Cybertruck were people only put down $100. I am sure that *no other company with investors* find it important to show investors consumer commitment to a product by having a decent deposit to hold something. Nope that never happens anywhere else.🙄

I'm a consumer and a gamer.  Why would I care what investors think and why should I be asked to provide funding so a company can prove something to their investors or retailers?  That's quite literally what some companies use crowdfunding to do and I don't like it in those instances and I don't like it here.